Leslie Downey wrote 10/15/2007 03:17 PM crates in garage #158367 - 10/15/2007 03:17 PM
Leslie Downey Webboard User Reg: 09-21-2007 Posts: 50 Loc: Offline	Having discussion (alright arguement) with husband on whether dog can be in crate in garage in winter. I feel as long as it isn't below freezing-32 with a blanket dog will do fine. Do we think that's true? Just don't have room in the house for 2 large crates. fyi- we have to go back to crating our terrier because at 4 years she is regressing with the housetraining- after coming home every couple of days to a mess on the kitchen floor, I feel we need to go back to the crate. I've never had a dog that wasn't reliably housetrained at 4-5 months, never mind 4 years. This dog was a bear to housetrain in the first place, eliminated in crate for weeks, peed on our bed, and she's back to her old tricks since we've gotten the puppy.
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Carol Boche wrote 10/15/2007 03:57 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Leslie Downey ] #158375 - 10/15/2007 03:57 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	mmmmmmm.. that is a iffy one. I have indoor/outdoor kennels and in the summer I take out the doghouses and they get wood boxes made out of 2 x 6's full of straw. In the winter they get doghouses that are insulated stuffed with straw. And I shut the dog doors at night when it is really cold and use a space heater that hangs from the ceiling to take the chill off the inside. I would love to convert them to heated and air conditioned, but then my dogs would not acclimate to the weather and I need them to do okay in all types of weather for the work that they do. My concern about a dog being kept in the cold garage in a crate is the fact that they cannot move around to warm up if they get cold. We have sub-zero temps here and seriously bitter wind chills, and my dogs do great. I do rotate them so that a couple times a week they spend nights in the house. (I have 6 dogs, so I have to rotate) Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 10/15/2007 04:19 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Carol Boche ] #158380 - 10/15/2007 04:19 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	My pups are in crates in the garage (aka "the kennel", 3 kennel runs and 2 crates with tiled floor). The nights are mid 50's to low 40's right now, and the garage is toasty warm with 2 portable heaters. These kind: http://www.livingincomfort.com/images/small/delheat_pic.jpg Not sure how they would keep up in -32 though! Might need more than 2........ but they are pretty cheap. Not sure about the power bill though! Maybe if you keep one right behind the crates it will keep the immediate area around the dogs warmer.
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Carol Boche wrote 10/15/2007 04:29 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #158381 - 10/15/2007 04:29 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Great minds think alike as far as heaters go...... I built 1 x 1 frames with wire wrap so that they sit in the frames nice and hang from the rafters. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/15/2007 04:31 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Leslie Downey ] #158382 - 10/15/2007 04:31 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Leslie Downey Having discussion (alright arguement) with husband on whether dog can be in crate in garage in winter. I feel as long as it isn't below freezing-32 with a blanket dog will do fine. Do we think that's true? Just don't have room in the house for 2 large crates. fyi- we have to go back to crating our terrier because at 4 years she is regressing with the housetraining- after coming home every couple of days to a mess on the kitchen floor, I feel we need to go back to the crate. I've never had a dog that wasn't reliably housetrained at 4-5 months, never mind 4 years. This dog was a bear to housetrain in the first place, eliminated in crate for weeks, peed on our bed, and she's back to her old tricks since we've gotten the puppy. IME, re-training a dog who has regressed is WAY faster than the first time around. I'd go back to square one with the training, very consistent and lots of marking (the good kind) and praise and rewards, and I'd bet that you wouldn't take more than a week (if you can tether the dog to you when you're in the house with the dog, doing the usual taking out and marking/praising every time she squats). I know it's not what you asked, but I guess I don't see it as an into-the-winter question. Sorry for the slight hijack..... Back to garage temps.
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Mitch Kuta wrote 10/15/2007 04:47 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #158383 - 10/15/2007 04:47 PM
Mitch Kuta Webboard User Reg: 01-31-2005 Posts: 464 Loc: Ovilla, TX Offline	here in Texas cold is not an issue. I feel that in a garage even if the temp in there was at freezing. Or did you mean minus 32. Any dog with something to sleep on to keep off cold floor would be fine. MJK
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Carol Boche wrote 10/15/2007 05:52 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Mitch Kuta ] #158406 - 10/15/2007 05:52 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: mitch kuta Any dog with something to sleep on to keep off cold floor would be fine. If we are training at my place, I have sections of the 2" foam insulation that handlers put their crates on in the kennel area. Works great for keeping them off cold concrete floors. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Kori Bigge wrote 10/15/2007 11:47 PM Re: crates in garage [Re: Leslie Downey ] #158450 - 10/15/2007 11:47 PM
Kori Bigge Webboard User Reg: 10-08-2007 Posts: 611 Loc: Kansas Offline	Leslie- Have you taken your terrier to the vet to be checked for a urinary tract infection? There may be a physical reason that she is eliminating indoors, vs. just "regression" in her housebreaking (or jealousy towards the puppy). Just FYI. Also, I think the space-heater in the garage would be a good idea. Good luck! Kori
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Sandy Moore wrote 10/16/2007 06:08 AM Re: crates in garage [Re: Kori Bigge ] #158458 - 10/16/2007 06:08 AM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Space heaters are not that safe, most especially when left unattended, and also when using multiple space heaters. I've always heard reports of space heaters causing fires. Here's a couple of links to read about them. Please take these articles into consideration. It could mean your life and/or your dogs' lives. http://www.nfpa.org/newsReleaseDetails.asp?categoryid=488&itemId=25760&cookie%5Ftest=1 (National Fire Protection Assn) and: http://www.ul.com/fallsafety/home_heating.html (Underwriters Laboratories). In this link the following is said: "Turn off space heaters when you are not in the room or when you go to sleep.", and "Supervise children and pets at all times when space heaters are in use. Even the slightest contact with a heating coil or element can cause a severe burn." Space heaters are not the ideal heating situation when left unattended at ANY time. They are not meant to be left unattended ever. Both the links above are by totally credible and official sources. PLEASE be careful!!! Don't leave your dogs unattended with space heaters on. Just because nothing has happened before doesn't mean it won't.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 10/16/2007 06:29 AM Re: crates in garage [Re: Sandy Moore ] #158459 - 10/16/2007 06:29 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	There's not much in my garage that can burn and the heaters are a good 8ft from the dogs In my experience its usually the type that blow hot air, rather than the self contained oil heaters, that cause the problems. Especially when used in carpeted rooms. If they fall over they will heat up the carpet immensely, causing fires. But the same can be said for the 2,000,000 candlepower handheld spotlights. I know a guy that used to work security for a major hotel in Orlando. They had the switch in the constant-on position, put the spotlight face down on a car seat and the car caught fire. Anything used improperly will cause a problem, but used correctly the self-contained unvented oil filled heaters are pretty safe to use as long as you don't stick them next to the curtains or next to a gas can
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