Alright i will start with a little story first:

The other day when doing a sweep of a plane there was about four of us standing around after words waiting for the plane to stop re-fueling so they could open the cargo area. Two of us are handlers and the other two where the custom guys. Well the other handler had his dog on leash and he was laying down, halfway laying on his side. One of the customs guys was joking around and asked "so what do you tell him to go bite someone "Sick Em"?" So the other handler when ahead and told him "No we tell them "Get Em"" And on that note the dog came up leash and right for my chest. luckily my reflexes have gotten a lot faster after decoying for this dog so i jumped back and he missed my flesh and only snagged one of his canines on my shirt.

Now some of you might point out the handler needs to be more careful. It has already been discussed so there is no more need to bring up that.

My question is, how do i train my dog like that. How do i find the switch to turn him on and off like that. To be able to go from playing around to controlled aggression in a split second with the person not showing aggression. My dog has no problem in aggression and i have no doubt that he would bite someone without any protection on but i would like to up my level of control that much more.

With the dog that did this it is a combination of the dog being naturally more aggressive and the previous handler doing nothing but compulsion. This handler has calmed the dog down a dramatic amount.

After 51 views no one? Or did i word this wrong?

I would tend to think that the dog and handler you described would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. If the dog engages on someone that is not showing "threat" behavior when a casual conversation is going on, that would be something I would work on and not want the dog to do.
Plus, the dog did not even direct aggression at whom the handler was talking or engaging with but rather a "by-stander" per say.....not good IMO.

Was the answer given in a command type way or was it just a casual answer?

I work with a guy that raises and trains dogs for PPD work, and each member of his family has a PPD. All have been temperament tested and ALL will bite "for real", however if someone asks what commands are used with the dog, the dog will not engage nor perform the command unless it is directed at the dog to perform.

If you are talking about the dog being more responsive when a command is directed at them, then that sounds as though it would be a training error where the dog is allowed to hesitate before performing.

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I would tend to think that the dog and handler you described would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. If the dog engages on someone that is not showing "threat" behavior when a casual conversation is going on, that would be something I would work on and not want the dog to do.

If this was civilian law enforcement then yes i would agree with you. But this is Military law enforcement, are rules of engagement are a lot "lighter" then the civilian side. There are certen situations where the suspect will not being showing aggression where we need to send are dogs out.

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Plus, the dog did not even direct aggression at whom the handler was talking or engaging with but rather a "by-stander" per say.....not good IMO.

Not saying i like everything that happend just one part of it.

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Was the answer given in a command type way or was it just a casual answer?

Casual Answer, not a fan of this either, at first i thought it was a good idea to train this way but then i realized even if you need to be quite you can still have a command voice in a wispier.

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I work with a guy that raises and trains dogs for PPD work, and each member of his family has a PPD. All have been temperament tested and ALL will bite "for real", however if someone asks what commands are used with the dog, the dog will not engage nor perform the command unless it is directed at the dog to perform.

I have no doubt my dog will give a real bite. Thats not what i meant to bring up when i started this topic, it is mainly trying to find out how to get the dog to aggression on command even if there is no seen threat.

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If you are talking about the dog being more responsive when a command is directed at them, then that sounds as though it would be a training error where the dog is allowed to hesitate before performing.

Allen has no problem being responsive but only if he can see the decoy or someone acting in a aggressive manner. If i give him the command to "Watch em" or "Get em" he will perk up real fast and look around but he will not act unless there is a clear target.

Basically i am looking to train my dog to be more aggressive on command rather then environment.

Did i word it better there?

Worded excellently....

I was thinking this was civilian not military, and I know the rules are different, just did not know how they differed.

I somewhat misunderstood your question, so I apologize for that.
Looking forward to reading some other answers here as well. I am always up for learning.

I am horrible when it comes to wording so i always brake down the persons post and address each part so that way no one finishes reading my post thinking "wth...?"

Hopefully someone will reply, maybe if i posted this in the general forum..?

We are not supposed to double post, and I think that someone will come along.
Have not seen the "norm" posters that usually answer this type of stuff either.....

Patience, my friend, patience......

I am not going to double post i was just thinking about how many forums are in general rather then forums the probably should be in.

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I am not going to double post i was just thinking about how many forums are in general rather then forums the probably should be in.

I think that many people go straight here
http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/activetopics/range/1
when they log in. It shows all the new posts, no matter what forum they are in.

I did read it. To be honest I felt it was a bit on the improbable side.
I was going to make a comment, but i've been experiencing some computer problems. Since I'm nearly computer illiterate, I had to wait for some teenager to come fix it. At any rate, I think, properly trained, a good law enforcement dog, including a good military dog, is not going to "attack" when the words "get 'em" are spoken in a normal tone. Secondly, somewhere in the thread it was said the rules of engagement are different. While that may be true in a war zone, generally the rules of engagement are still pretty much the same as in civilian law enforcement. Having spent a good number of years in both, including combat zones, as far as police work itself, relative the canine, there isn't that much different in the rules of engagement.

DFrost