 Accelerant Training
#164104 - 11/21/2007 11:58 AM |
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I posted this here since it is close to what I am wondering. If it is not in the correct spot, MODS feel free to put it in the correct place.
I am very seriously looking to train an accelerant (arson) detection dog and have been doing a bit of research. We do not have a dog here in SD and I think one would be beneficial not only to my department, but to be made available to the entire state and surrounding states that also are in need.
From what I can tell, it is not that far off of "odor" detection.
Can any of the experienced K9 handlers give me some advice or suggestions on what else to research?
I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
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Re: Accelerant Training
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#164109 - 11/21/2007 12:45 PM |
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It is nothing more than scent detection. The key is identifying all the scents. My suggestion is contact ATF, they train a lot of accelerant dogs for local police departments, fire departments and as in our state, the Bomb and Arson Investigators.
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#164111 - 11/21/2007 12:59 PM |
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I do have a call into the ATF, as that was my first thought.
I am hoping to get a nice little Mali  for this line of work, just waiting on hubbies answer........  UGH!!!!
Thank you David.
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#164122 - 11/21/2007 02:09 PM |
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Carol,
Hey there, Man i have been interested in arson dogs for a while. Now i was wondering are you planning on working with the local FD for hire? or Volunteer?
Anyhow, good topic, hope to learn more on this subject.
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#164129 - 11/21/2007 03:00 PM |
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My FD is volunteer. I do however tell people if they ask how much I charge, that they can make a donation to my FD or my SAR Dog team, depending on the area I am deployed to.
I am not in it for the money, so I work hard at taking in contract dogs for the money I make in my kennels.
For me, it is really rewarding to have reliable dogs that are mission ready 100% of the time and will get the job done for me.
I will keep this post updated on my findings. 
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Re: Accelerant Training
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#164207 - 11/21/2007 09:00 PM |
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Carol,
This is something I've been interested in myself for a while but haven't done any research on it. If you have done some research it would be awesome if you would share some it with me. I wonder how dangerous this is for the dog.
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#164209 - 11/21/2007 09:24 PM |
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Carol,
I wonder how dangerous this is for the dog.
To the explosive trainers: Is it true that the chemicals you train with cause nuerological issues in the dogs later in life? I was told this a while back and then forgot about it until now.
I would assume that accelerants can have the same effect if this is true. Which, IMO, may be likely.....look at what sniffing gas, glue and all the other stuff does to humans...... 
I would say "bomb" dogs have the most dangerous. With the arson dogs, I would worry more about falls, burns on pads and legs and what not.
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#164223 - 11/22/2007 04:46 AM |
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An arson dog is very likely to be working in areas that have been burnt. In addition to all the gases and residue created by the fire, you have broken glass, nails, possibility of hot spots etc. I don't know of any studies that have been conducted relative health complications of either an accelerant or explosives detector. Personally, I think, beyond the obvious danger of blowing up, I think the accelerant dog would encounter more toxic substances than the explosives detector.
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#164231 - 11/22/2007 09:02 AM |
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Hmmmmm, this is interesting. By that I mean, it is interesting to hear different views, as it helps to learn.
I would have to agree with the fact that accelerant dogs would get more exposure in the long run.
I contacted the ATF and I will meet with a guy after the Holiday.
He seemed pretty supportive and interested.
So I am pretty excited to know that this may be something I will be doing in the near future.
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#164232 - 11/22/2007 09:08 AM |
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I live in Sacramento so I think our fire departments have the funding that they need. I was thinking that up in the mountains by Jackson which is only 1 hr from here there might be some possibilities though. Thee are a handful of small towns all along the foothills that possibly can use help and that all have volunteer fire departments.
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