For example, right now I use my voice "yes!" for the marker. But sometimes I wonder if I might be more accurate w/my timing if I just "clicked"? Can you use both of these methods, or would it confuse the dog? (I chose to use my voice initially b/c I didn't want to have to rely on a clicker - if I don't have a clicker on me, I can always mark verbally).
From what I've gathered, yes. However, people report superlative progress starting with a clicker and weaning to voice. Not sure the mechanism behind it (since I haven't tried), but that's what my credible sources tell me.
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Kori, I use voice markers when I'm teaching a basic command, but I tend to use clickers when I'm trying to teach more complicated commands (or if I'm working with a slower-witted dog ).
My dogs understand the two different markers with no problem. It's just like them knowing that the sound of my keys means good things, and they know that the sound of the leash drawer means good things, and they know the sound of the food tray means good things.
I generally prefer a voice marker, because as you said...it's always there. But despite all of my work, some clients just can't get good timing, or their tone will be off or too variable...so for them it's the clicker.
But yeah, I think most dogs would have no problem getting used to multiple markers (even more than two), as long as you used them frequently.
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Do you mean a verbal "Ah ah ha" if you're getting something other than what you asked for?
Yes.. For example...When I tell my dog to down and his elbows are not totally on the deck I will say a nice, calm "no". He will then drop them back down at which time he gets his "Yes" marker followed by a release and a reward.
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Did you initially "load" the negative marker with physical corrections to give IT meaning?
Lol I hope I can do a decent job explaining this……The word “no” has never been tied into a physical correction. My intent is using it as a marker of incorrect behavior during “purely positive” training.
The thought was to use it as a marker that the reward will be withheld until the desired activity took place…. The understanding of which takes place through self discovery.
Yes.. For example...When I tell my dog to down and his elbows are not totally on the deck I will say a nice, calm "no". He will then drop them back down at which time he gets his "Yes" marker followed by a release and a reward.
Has that actually reduced the over all frequency of the slow downs? Do you EXPECT it to reduce the over all frequency of slow downing? Or is it more useful to remedy that particular slow down for practical reasons?
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The thought was to use it as a marker that the reward will be withheld until the desired activity took place…. The understanding of which takes place through self discovery.
YES! I know what you mean, and I use this frequently with Carbon. It works well as a "guiding" tool...something to explain to the dog when he's learning...sort of a "you're getting warmer" or "you're getting colder" sort of thing.
It's useful when the dog's heading in the wrong direction, but you don't want to correct him, because he doesn't really know the command yet.
It's a lot harder to explain in the written word than it would be if you saw it. I honestly think it's a really helpful technique for the learning process and speeds things up.
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