I was sitting here thinking how much I would have liked to buy Cindy's male 11 month old Mal but was pondering how on earth I would ever get Levi to accept another male in my home. Mr. Dog Aggressive. Then I was thinking, well Caesar Millan has a huge pack of dogs how does he do it? Is this the biggest no brainer in the world? Are the males all neutered? Surely, they are. Having unaltered males in a pack that size much surely cause chaos??? Still, haven't I seen many a male do his boot camp with both Christmas ornaments attached?? I mean do people get males to get along? Don't they have many unaltered males in a pack of wolves existing in harmony? Probably not something that someone like me would want to take on due to the sheer magnitude of the challenge it presents?? If this is a stupid question, I apologize, my curiousity sometimes gets the better of me.

now you've got me curious!

....but i'm thinking, packs in the wild (dogs or wolves, not that i'm a wolf expert) live together with, to my understanding, more than one unaltered male. so it must be possible, but i would imagine being a strong alpha gets pretty important....

also, sometimes people neuter without taking the balls (cats at least).

 Quote: Jennifer Mullen

now you've got me curious!
also, sometimes people neuter without taking the balls (cats at least).

Huh???

I'm thinking all his dogs are rescues. Rescues are typically neutered.

I have 3 males. Cujo is dog aggressive, although when he knows I'm watching he can be very tollerent, he just runs around growling now. Just keep em seperated.

Are you sure you want a Mal??????????

i think they just snip vasectomy style!

....i just meant that if you're seeing dogs with their christmas ornaments, they might be fixed.

but i don't know if that's common w/dogs. i've seen it sometimes w/cats.

edit: i was just reading that even w/cats if often looks like the testicles are still there when they're not. but i had one of the rescue's vets tell me about the snipping - unless he was playing w/my head....

anyways, this is off-dog-topic!

 Quote: Mike J Schoonbrood

Are you sure you want a Mal??????????

Heck no! This is all speculative cuz I know I can't get him! LOL!
Still, her post didn't say that he would take off an arm just for play time or that he needs to be fed fresh elephant tusk every night so I thought, hmmm, mayyyyybe,...well, NO!..but if, NO! If I?..NO! Hubby?? Oh heck no! Nevermind, still the questions run amuck!

Robbin,

LMAO, I was thinking the same things when I read Cindy's post.

I am in WAY over my head in rescue work I just have too many. Our local limit is two and I have five (I had six until today - found one a home YAY!) I am keeping a pup from my rescued litter (who are 15 weeks now) in hopes of making a competition agility dog and then Cindy comes out with THAT. Geez.

So I just had to giggle at your thread.


Jennifer, I think you are thinking of TNR cats (Trap Neuter Return). They do vasectomies on feral cats to keep colony numbers down. Vasecomized cats still mate, they don't know they are sterile, so the female goes out of heat and the sterile toms will drive the lower ranking cats away, so they can't mate with the females. Giving vasectomies rather than neutering feral cats keeps the colony numbers down.

 Quote: mike j schoonbrood

I'm thinking all his dogs are rescues. Rescues are typically neutered.

My opinion would be his dogs are altered. If you watch the episodes where he takes "un altered" dogs into the "pack" he talks about how it causes the tails to go up on a lot of the other dogs regardless of altering.

The Katrina episode is where he talked about it quite a bit.

I am unsure of "Daddy" is altered, but I usually do not look for "gonads" when I watch the show, although I probably will notice more now....hee hee

 Quote: jennifer mullen

....i just meant that if you're seeing dogs with their christmas ornaments, they might be fixed.

but i don't know if that's common w/dogs. i've seen it sometimes w/cats.

edit: i was just reading that even w/cats if often looks like the testicles are still there when they're not. but i had one of the rescue's vets tell me about the snipping - unless he was playing w/my head....

I think you're talking about 2 different things here - neutering/castration and sterilization. Neutering/castration REMOVES the testicles (sometimes, but not always the scrotum), meaning the dog no longer has hormone and sperm producing organs. Behavior IS influenced by neutering.

Sterilization is the "sniping" and tying off of the tubes that transport sperm, testicles, and hormone output, stay put - sterilization does NOT effect behavior, but will obviously make an animal unable to procreate. A pack of "sterilized" males will still behave like intact males, because they are.

I'm sure everyone already knew this, forgive me for feeling the need to clarify.

I'm quite certain most of Ceaser's pack are neutered, though Carol's right, Daddy is (or was anyway) intact. That said, I think living with more than one intact male is really all about personalities of each dog, and the handler's ability as a pack leader - I know a few people with multiple intact males (not dog aggressive, or even protection breeds) but it can be done with the right combination. Ceasar's bunch is a pretty motley crew of all kinds of breeds/mutts - I wouldn't be surprised if he could manage them all intact, though he might have to hang out at home more often to keep the peace.

~Natalya