 Marking with Urine
#169437 - 12/18/2007 08:37 AM |
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Hey, i'v got a question about marking territory with Urine.
I walk my dogs in the woods, about 10 miles per day.
I have two males, and they always mark on trees and such, then the other dog will find the spot and mark it as well.
This is normal I know,
Last night we were walking, and I had to pee really bad, so I releived myself on a spot I thought the dogs might do the same.
Nothing. No marking on my urine.
They mark over each others urine, but not mine, ever.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Re: Marking with Urine
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#169439 - 12/18/2007 08:43 AM |
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Maybe they don't see you as a threat. Just kidding. When I do the same my boys are not very interested either.
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#169441 - 12/18/2007 08:44 AM |
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hahaha, they know who's alpha that's for sure.
I'm boggled by this!
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#169456 - 12/18/2007 09:15 AM |
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Maybe you are not a dog and your urine does not have the same pheremones in it.
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#169459 - 12/18/2007 09:25 AM |
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I would assume that dog and human urine differ dramatically in their chemical/hormonal make up. When a dog marks over another dog's urine, it sniffs first, picking up very species-specific scents - information about the canine who previously marked the spots - then adding it's own message to the mix. Dog's who travel together and pee over each other's spots may not need to sniff so much anymore because they watch each other all the time, but Ted, at a molecular level, your pee is probably on the same level as any other predatory animal urine (fox, bear, cat) - a dog would note it's presence but not feel compelled to mark over it, as it clearly comes from another species...
I'm just guessing here...
~Natalya
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#169490 - 12/18/2007 10:38 AM |
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Some interesting info here.
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#169520 - 12/18/2007 12:07 PM |
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I have heard of someone "marking areas" that their dog peed on to stop the marking (on the gazebo and bar-b-que). If I can believe what they said, the dogs no longer peed on that spot.
There is also a book written by a man who lived in Alaska studying wolves (sorry, I can't tell you the title or author). They repeatedly came into his camp when he was gone and caused trouble (that sounds more like a bear than a wolf). After he marked the perimeter they stayed out.
Maybe our wolf behaviorist (oh, Jenniferrrr) can give us some insight into whether that is bogus or plausible.
He also wanted to find out if wolves could survive on mice alone (rather than big game animals) as it appeared that they were doing for part of the year. So the man caught and ate nothing but mice, he didn't do so well on dressed mouse. Skinning and gutting them was not how the wolves ate them. When he ate the WHOLE mouse he did just fine (he did cook them, yumm). LOL
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#169525 - 12/18/2007 12:15 PM |
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There is also a book written by a man who lived in Alaska studying wolves (sorry, I can't tell you the title or author). They repeatedly came into his camp when he was gone and caused trouble (that sounds more like a bear than a wolf). After he marked the perimeter they stayed out.
The book you are thinking of is "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat. Mowat is a Canadian wildlife researcher who also writes hilarious books of his true adventures. He didn't live in Alaska though, it was in the Canadian arctic. (I believe the location was in what is now Nunavut). Close!
The wolves didn't stay out. His experiment was to test their reaction. He got one. The wolves had a path they walked on to go hunting. Mowat deliberately marked his "territory" to include a section of their path. The wolf was coming up the path and when it got to the point where Mowat "marked", it stopped dead in its tracks and looked over at Mowat's tent. They had a bit of a staring contest, then the wolf decided it won the contest and went and marked over all of Mowat's "marks". From then on the wolves used the path as usual. 
I love this book.
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#169543 - 12/18/2007 01:12 PM |
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Angela
Thank you! I'm glad you remembered the correct details. :smile:
So much for me remembering all the particulars from reading the book so many years ago. 
Maybe someone will do some more pee experiments and let us know the results.
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#169546 - 12/18/2007 01:31 PM |
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You remembered enough that I instantly knew which book you were referring to. 
I found this on Ed's Dumb and Dumber page:
"You recommend mouse traps for keeping the dog out of the kitchen garbage. I found a more humane yet effective method: I urinated (just a little tinkle) in the garbage. He sniffed once and never went back."
So there you have it, LOL.
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