Jon Lee wrote 12/18/2007 09:05 PM two questions: Tether and rawhide #169654 - 12/18/2007 09:05 PM
Jon Lee Webboard User Reg: 10-31-2007 Posts: 29 Loc: los angeles, ca Offline	When you tether train a dog, does that mean the dog is never off tether when outside the crate? That is a little difficult at 3-4 am, or even when you are taking them out for a potty break. Second, are rawhide bones ok for puppies? Thanks for your help. Jon
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/18/2007 09:17 PM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Jon Lee ] #169657 - 12/18/2007 09:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Well, the dog would be on a leash outside.... The dog would be in the crate or on a leash or tethered to you, with the idea that you can intervene in any indoor potty starts and take the dog outside to potty, mark, and reward. If the dog is in a safe yard for potty, then no, you wouldn't have to intervene because the dog is already where potty is supposed to happen. You might want to stick close anyway, or have the dog on a leash, if you're at the point where the dog doesn't quite get it yet about outdoor potty, because you want to be in a position to see it so you can mark and reward for good potty. No, I don't think rawhide is good for any age dog.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/18/2007 09:21 PM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #169658 - 12/18/2007 09:21 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	P.S. Tethering the dog to you really speeds up the training process because the dog gets no opportunity to go indoors and start that habit.... so it's not a long period of being attached to your pup. :>
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Angela Burrell wrote 12/19/2007 09:04 AM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #169747 - 12/19/2007 09:04 AM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Rawhide is not a good choice for many reasons. The rescue I volunteer with has forbidden the foster homes from using them (and we always educate new adopters as well). Firstly, rawhides are a major choking hazard. Dogs die from choking on a rawhide piece they have broken off and tried to swallow. Secondly, rawhides swell up to 4-5 times their original size (rawhides are dehydrated and pressed animal skin). Put a rawhide in a bowl of water overnight and you will be shocked. This makes rawhide a danger for intestinal blockage. Thirdly, with the amount of carcinogenic chemicals used in processing them (like bleach and arsenic) you could probably sterilize your toilet! Use a Kong instead - much safer.
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Jon Lee wrote 12/19/2007 10:10 AM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Angela Burrell ] #169759 - 12/19/2007 10:10 AM
Jon Lee Webboard User Reg: 10-31-2007 Posts: 29 Loc: los angeles, ca Offline	Thank you for your responses. Connie, my tethering question relates to indoors. So, whenever the dog is indoors and not in the crate, she should be tethered to me. How long does this last for typically? I love my puppy, but I have a lot of wires in my studio that she could easily destroy. Jon
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Rick Miller wrote 12/19/2007 10:33 AM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Jon Lee ] #169765 - 12/19/2007 10:33 AM
Rick Miller Webboard User Reg: 05-24-2007 Posts: 379 Loc: Wichita, Kansas Offline	This is from: Groundwork for Puppies  Quote: When we bring a pup in the house we never allow it to run around the house. We always have a line on it. What better way to establish our leadership than to control every aspect of the pup's life? Trust me this does not fall on deaf ears. Those who allow puppies to run around un-tethered are only asking for the problems that will eventually come up. These pups are going to get into things, they are going to pee on the floor, or they are going to jump up and play bite. When we are tired of dealing with the pup it goes into its crate. In the beginning it's going to scream like a banshee for a few days, but such is life. We will put the pup in a crate in the garage and let it scream its head off. For those who don’t have a garage you can leave a radio or TV on, or cover the crate with a sheet, or leave one of the toys with treats in the crate, or leave a cow knuckle bone to chew on (although you need to be a little careful about loose stools here). As time passes and the pup calms down and learns manners in the house, I may let it lie at my feet when I work on my computer. If it doesn’t calm down it stays in the crate when I don’t have time for it. There ya go. I sure would hate it if my puppy destroyed my equipment, but you could think of it as increasing the net worth of the lil' gal! Just ask my friend and his $1200 stray cat. The store I bought my guitar at had this amazing dog there all the time. It wasn't amazing as much as it was calm. I asked the owner about having the dog walking around all the time with thousands in guitars all around, but he told me the dog had never knocked over a guitar...so, there's hope!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/19/2007 11:29 AM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Jon Lee ] #169796 - 12/19/2007 11:29 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jon Lee Thank you for your responses. Connie, my tethering question relates to indoors. So, whenever the dog is indoors and not in the crate, she should be tethered to me. How long does this last for typically? I love my puppy, but I have a lot of wires in my studio that she could easily destroy. Jon Crate in study....?
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 12/19/2007 12:56 PM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #169812 - 12/19/2007 12:56 PM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	tethering lasts for as long as it takes to know your dog is reliable in the house. It's not unusual for me to tether my dogs for a number of months and then start allowing short periods of being loose. It's also not unusual for me to give all my dogs a tether "refresher course" if they begin to behave in a way that I don't approve of. I have a puppy tethered to me as I type, he's either tethered to me, in his crate or in his kennel run. He's never loose and I control his environment 100%. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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Mike Hawker wrote 12/19/2007 05:38 PM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #169871 - 12/19/2007 05:38 PM
Mike Hawker Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2004 Posts: 166 Loc: San Diego Offline	To share my story on rawhides.... We came home from the store and I saw Ginger, our (at the time) 10 month old Aussie struggling with something. Not quite choking per se, but in distress. I jumped out of the car and tried to get a look. Even though I had heard rawhides were bad, I caved in and bought her some so she'd have "something" to chew on. A piece of rawhide she tore off molded to the roof of her mouth and was stuck halfway down her throat. I could not get a hold of it because it was so slippery. As I was reaching for a pair of pliers (had to try something), she swallowed it. I don't know what would have happened if we did not come home. A month or so later, my wife had given her a "brown" rawhide without me knowing. As before, I walked by her and noticed she was struggling with something. Luckily, I was able grab this piece our of her throat. My wife thought the dark brown rawhides were different. Never again. There are three constants in life: Death, taxes and the love of a dog.
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Natalya Zahn wrote 12/19/2007 06:40 PM Re: two questions: Tether and rawhide [Re: Jon Lee ] #169882 - 12/19/2007 06:40 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: jon lee Second, are rawhide bones ok for puppies? I think Jon might be talking about those ultra compressed, almost plasticy looking "bones" that are really made up of many, many sheets of very thin rawhide... not just the ever popular strips (which I also pulled out of my dog's choking throat a few times before swearing them off...). I only gave Oscar one of those rawhide "bones" once, and he never touched it... I know they sort of delaminate when chewed on (having seen other dog's do it), and I would assume that even a thin piece of flat rawhide would have the potential to cause the same problems, but I think they take longer to work on for the dog. Maybe with good supervision, and a guarantee that your dog will let you reach into it's mouth without biting (to pull it out if it gets stuck) these bones would be OK... I'm just in the "no rawhide PERIOD" camp myself - there are safer things out there to chew on... ~Natalya
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