Method Ceasar Milan = no need for prong coll.etc?
#171413 - 12/28/2007 07:32 PM |
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I have a dominant,GSD male (2yrs) old, who likes to attack dogs everywhere. Because this is very annoying everytime I go jogging with him I have just ordered a prong collar and muzzle. However, I like to watch the Dog Whisperer and it amazes me everytime when I see how he solves these kind a problems without prong collars or electrical collars etc. As a matter at the end he manages to walk with originally agressive dogs on a loose leash.
It is so incredible that I wonder if they have two dogs that look alike, one agressive, one not agressive that are switched. What do you think, would the need for prong collars, muzzeles and everything end if we (agressive dog owners) all had Ceasar Milan as a trainer?
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It is so incredible that I wonder if they have two dogs that look alike, one agressive, one not agressive that are switched. What do you think, would the need for prong collars, muzzeles and everything end if we (agressive dog owners) all had Ceasar Milan as a trainer?
1. No.
2. No.
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#171443 - 12/28/2007 08:33 PM |
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Connie, you got two questions out of that????
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#171444 - 12/28/2007 08:36 PM |
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CM isn't "training" these dogs. He's eliminating behavourial problems created by a LACK of training/leadership by the owners.
He has also demonstrated the use of the pinch collar and the e-collar on different programs. He also has NOT demonstrated hanging a dog but that doesn't mean that the dog laying on the ground with a blue tongue hanging out was talked in to taking a rest.
I'm a big believer in motivational training because I can do it! How I would suggest eliminating behavioural problems for someone else's dog is totally dependant on the owner's ability to "get it" when it comes to pack structure/leadership. Some will "get it" some never will.
You can almost pick out the people on CM's show that will never get it once he leaves the picture.
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#171451 - 12/28/2007 09:06 PM |
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Connie, you got two questions out of that????
I wonder if they have two dogs that look alike, one agressive, one not agressive that are switched.
No
Would the need for prong collars, muzzeles and everything end if we (agressive dog owners) all had Ceasar Milan as a trainer?
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#171472 - 12/28/2007 10:30 PM |
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i have seen him use these things on the show, and his book says he works with whatever training tools the owner has already been using.
But i am watching an episode right now, and one dog has a prong on. I can say, i have never seen him use, or endorse an head collar. Nice!
I think he has tried to be more um, held back on the show. His being dominant and very physical already makes some people uncomfortable, so they don't like to show prongs on tv. But i wouldn't be surprised if he slaps a prong on the dog, or hangs the dog, and they just edit that out for the soft petsmart trained owners.
I personally would like to see Ed have a show.......
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#171506 - 12/29/2007 08:42 AM |
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i have seen him use these things on the show, and his book says he works with whatever training tools the owner has already been using.
What you DO see him use all the time is his version of a dominant dog collar, though. He does say he likes to use what tools the owner uses, but he doesn't hesitate to put one of the collars he brought with him if what the owner has doesn't work.
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#171508 - 12/29/2007 09:03 AM |
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true, i mean, if i had a show, i would use my own products.
But i don't think i have ever seen really give instruction on corrections with any collar, He tells people to move it farther up on the neck, but that's it.But i have seen several of the dogs with choke collars being used incorrectly(causing the dog to act out), and he "shh"'s the dog, but doesn't fix the collar issue.
Is this because he doesn't use collar corrections(because he uses his hand and the "shh"), doesn't believe in them or what? Now i am curious.
I know he doesn't "train" dogs, but i wonder what techniques he would use with things like an e-collar and a prong.
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#171511 - 12/29/2007 09:28 AM |
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true, i mean, if i had a show, i would use my own products.
I didn't mean his "Illusion collar." I mean the cheap-o thin nylon collars that he has a passle of in his car.
But i don't think i have ever seen really give instruction on corrections with any collar, He tells people to move it farther up on the neck, but that's it.But i have seen several of the dogs with choke collars being used incorrectly(causing the dog to act out), and he "shh"'s the dog, but doesn't fix the collar issue.
Is this because he doesn't use collar corrections(because he uses his hand and the "shh"), doesn't believe in them or what? Now i am curious.
I know he doesn't "train" dogs, but i wonder what techniques he would use with things like an e-collar and a prong.
Actually, he does "use" those nylon collars. He especially uses them for dominant or aggressive dogs. When you see him lifting the dog up, and the dog thrashing on the end of it and calming down afterwords...that's him "using" the DD collar.
I think in general, his style and confidence and mastery of "speaking dog" means that he doesn't have to use collar corrections for basic issues.
I have seen him use an e-collar for a dog that bit at farm vehicles tires (there was a LB thread about that). But in general, he is gifted enough that he doesn't need collar corrections. He uses his body and voice (that sound and the little tap with his foot on the rear of the dog) to accomplish what most people use collars for.
His posture, and ease of body movements is a big thing, IMO. Watch how the insecure owners stand around slumped over with their eyes darting, or jumping around from foot to foot. Then there's CM, standing straight, calm with deliberate movements. Since dogs read body language by nature, a lot of what he needs to say to a dog he doesn't need a collar for. Watching him is always more impressive to me than listening to him. Watch the show with the sound off sometime and you'll see what I mean.
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#171512 - 12/29/2007 09:34 AM |
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sorry, i thought you meant the illusion collar.
I hadn't really ever seen him raise a dog's feet off the ground, but i have missed alot of episodes, so i am not disputing what you say.
no, he is gifted and may not need collar corrections, i was just wondering if he did, which would he use....
ha, usually i do watch with the volume down, because half of what he says is so ridiculous.....i start yelling at the tv
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