ted efthymiadis wrote 12/31/2007 01:57 PM Dog on Dog... #172007 - 12/31/2007 01:57 PM
ted efthymiadis Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2007 Posts: 278 Loc: Offline	I'v got a friend who has a small poodie age 3. The dog is fixed. The dog is well socialized, healthy and lives with two other dogs. (...I know 3 dogs = a dog pack...) Anyways her dog has an issue with sudden agression not over toys, food, rest, the dog will suddenly run over to another dog and attack another family dog. My knowledge is limited in agression, but this seems out of the ordinary? It doesn't seem like pack problems to me, or food issues. The dog is now tied to his owner at all times when near the other two dogs. I must ask, does anyone have any ideas? I'm going to buy the DVD for her, but until I get it, I'd like to wrap my head around this. Thanks for any input!
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Carol Boche wrote 12/31/2007 02:12 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #172009 - 12/31/2007 02:12 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Ted, How long have the dogs been together? Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Kimberly Bunk wrote 12/31/2007 02:17 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #172010 - 12/31/2007 02:17 PM
Kimberly Bunk Webboard User Reg: 05-04-2006 Posts: 384 Loc: PA Offline	Hi Ted, You didn't give much info on the dog's body language or what exactly is going on (you might not know other info than what you wrote). Anyway, I would suggest getting the dog checked out by a vet. Sometimes when dogs act aggressive out of nowhere it may be a health issue. Kimberly
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ted efthymiadis wrote 12/31/2007 05:17 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: Kimberly Bunk ] #172064 - 12/31/2007 05:17 PM
ted efthymiadis Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2007 Posts: 278 Loc: Offline	The dogs have been living together for about a year. The problem just seemed to pop out of no where from what she says. As for body language. I can't say for sure because I have yet to see these random acts of mawling, but from the way she discribes the situation, things will be normal, and boom. Her poodle will randomly attack another dog. This all seems very odd to me. The dog is in great health, and has been checked by a vet, and even a dog behavioralist. With no answers. I was hoping someone might have come across this, if not, maybe the video can help me see the issue for what it is.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/31/2007 05:20 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #172068 - 12/31/2007 05:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	By "attack," what do you mean?
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ted efthymiadis wrote 12/31/2007 05:56 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #172084 - 12/31/2007 05:56 PM
ted efthymiadis Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2007 Posts: 278 Loc: Offline	By attack I mean a frenzy of biting. A typical attack.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/31/2007 06:12 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #172089 - 12/31/2007 06:12 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Well, as you know, nothing comes out of nowhere. Any additions to the animal population? Any chance the other dog bit him? Regardless, I agree with the folks who say to check his thyroid, etc., first. I hope the owner knows to keep them separated. The other dogs can't be subjected to this...... The pack leader here isn't leading. I hope you will post when you see it happen. Are you ordering this? http://www.leerburg.com/301.htm The new pack structure one would be a good plus.
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Howard Knauf wrote 12/31/2007 06:14 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #172090 - 12/31/2007 06:14 PM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	It sounds like there is a pack rank issue brewing. The signs are there but your friend is not seeing them. Its impossible to determine which dog is actually the primary aggressor without seeing the interaction,but it is for sure your friend is not in charge. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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Sharon Empson wrote 12/31/2007 06:40 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #172110 - 12/31/2007 06:40 PM
Sharon Empson Webboard User Reg: 08-27-2007 Posts: 1197 Loc: Offline	I had a toy poodle who did that very thing. After he was about five years old, out of no where he began attacking my other dog who was very submissive. She would just turn her head and wait till we separated him from her. we could and never did find out why he did it, just probably thought he was letting her know he was over her. We did everything we could, of course I hadn't come across this website- forum yet but we never did stop it all together, we just intervened as we began to learn the signs. Every time he did something like that, he was picked up and put in another room. He had not medical problem. He was just mean, we called him Bubby ben ladin. He was a dog terrorist. HOpe you find a solution. edit; also, we did not have any new additions to our family, dog or otherwise, and he was fixed. The rest of the time he would act like he loved her, but we could never trust him. Edited by Sharon Empson (12/31/2007 06:42 PM) Edit reason: also,..additional info Sharon Empson
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Carol Boche wrote 12/31/2007 08:33 PM Re: Dog on Dog... [Re: Howard Knauf ] #172149 - 12/31/2007 08:33 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Howard Knauf It sounds like there is a pack rank issue brewing. The signs are there but your friend is not seeing them. Its impossible to determine which dog is actually the primary aggressor without seeing the interaction,but it is for sure your friend is not in charge. Howard Somebody is throwing behaviors, eye contact, body language ect when pack leader is not looking or she does not know how to read it.....I would agree there is a rank issue going on...and it may not be the poodle initiating but rather defending his position because the leader is not stepping up to do it........ Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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