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#16377 - 01/07/2002 06:57 PM |
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I have a 4.5 month old GSD, I work all day and keep him crated. After coming home, I give him about 30 minutes outside, feed him wait 2 hours and then take him out again. Problem is he is very mouthy with the kids and I have to keep him crated quite abit. Is this to much? Also, I don't want to start any ob until he is about 6 months. I would like feedback on truly how to handle him, I have eds tape 8 weeks to ... also how much work should i do with him and how often, rag and ball on string, puppy tug, retrieve, etc. I want to do this right, I would eventually like to try schutzhund with this dog. I know he is right
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Re: New Member Questions (Crate, etc.)
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#16378 - 01/07/2002 08:12 PM |
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You can start obedience with this dog, just don't introduce corrections yet. Especially if it would promote better manners to avoid having to live in his crate most of the day and night. Instead of always crating him when he is mouthy, try to correct the problem by redirecting this behavior to something acceptable like a chew toy or bite tube. Also teach the kids to act appropriately around the dog so as not to provoke the mouthing. At this age he is also probably teething. I've found a frozen rolled up washcloth to be a real treat for the dog.
Lots if interaction and stimulation is important for the pup right now. Use the tug toys as a fun training excercise to build prey drive. I believe Ed's tape discusses all of this.
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Re: New Member Questions (Crate, etc.)
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#16379 - 01/07/2002 08:20 PM |
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You should have done your homework before thinking to have a dog. If you can't stop him to see your kids as prey how do you know that he can do Schutzhund work. Do you know about drives and ....
Who told you to start OB at 6 month?
If you want to do Schutzhund join a club ASAP and get some help.
P.S. Ed has so much INFO on this web side.
READ IT. Very good stuff.
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#16380 - 01/07/2002 11:05 PM |
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Good points Beth.
I would not use the crate as a punishment. I agree with Beth. Re-direct this behavior. No corrections. He is too young.
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#16381 - 01/08/2002 08:38 AM |
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Thanks guys for the input! I did the research but sometimes reinforcement is invaluable. The dogs mother is East German Pink Papered bought to US pregnent. Purchased pup from Protection Agency which prepares dogs for Schutzhund and PP. Dog was evaluated at 8 weeks an again at 12 weeks by good reputable people. Thanks for the advise about the frozen towel, tried frozen Kong toy with Peanut butter, lost interest after PeaButter gone. Eds tapes are clear but does not say how often to work. Also started OB with hotdogs, pup will setz, platz and Here retreives ball right to hand no problem.
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#16382 - 01/09/2002 11:13 AM |
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It sounds like he is out of the crate only a few hours a day. If that. This is cruel if true.
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#16383 - 01/09/2002 11:46 AM |
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Not only cruel, but I would think likely to damage the pup's physical development. Do you not have a yard where you could put a kennel or a run? That alone might help with the mouthiness: just having the ability to be more physically active.
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#16384 - 01/09/2002 11:58 AM |
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I've been biting my tounge while reading the posts on this thread. In MY opinion you have LITTLE or NO business with this or any dog. You cannot expect a dog to grow mentally or physically while being crated for God knows how many hours at a time everyday. I agree with the opinions that this is CRUEL treatment. You should do the right thing and give this dog to someone who is willing or can afford to spend the time needed to raise and bond with this dog properly. If you don't and the dog grows up to be a basket case (CRATING ALL THE TIME)then you will be to blame but the dog is the only one that will suffer when you decide that he's become a problem dog. I feel very very sorry for this dog. Again find him a good home and finish raising you're kids, you don't need a dog.
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#16385 - 01/09/2002 12:21 PM |
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Whow, I came to this board for advise, I am sure not everyone jumps out of the can knowing exactly what to do with there pup. For those that are offering solutions and help, I have a 10' by about 4' wide vestibule that I have set up for him while I am at work which is approximately 8 hours and I will keep him out of the crate for exercise and feed after arriving home. He will only be in the crate to sleep at night. As far as raising the kids, this is a dog forum, lets not make it so personal. I am learning as ALL of us have had to do, I really want to keep this dog and am willing to accept the good and bad, I think what would have been really cruel is if I would have never reached out for the help and left him in that exact situation. Is the 10ftx4ft run exceptable?
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#16386 - 01/09/2002 01:22 PM |
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Confinement has its place, but the dog does need room to move about, and he does need to learn how to behave properly around children and in the house. To do that, he needs to be out of confinement, and his behavior needs to be channeled into positive directions. Crating him because he is being a pain in the behind will not accomplish much as far as teaching him acceptable behavior. If he's misbehaving a lot, and just generally too energetic, taking him for a walk, or taking him out in the yard for a romp, should help him burn off some excess energy, making him more receptive and able to focus inside the house.
I think your 10' X 4' area is acceptable for confinement only when you are away, but when you are home, he needs to be out among the rest of the household. In addition, no dog should ever be crated for more than a few hours at any one time.
Lastly, I agree with Beth's post (post #2).
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