Mallory Kwiatkowski wrote 03/05/2008 12:49 PM questions to ask #184105 - 03/05/2008 12:49 PM
Mallory Kwiatkowski Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2007 Posts: 947 Loc: Cold-ville, Wisconsin. Offline	so, i am about 87% sure i will be going to dog training school(emphasis on protection training) very soon-what are some questions i need to ask this guy-and what i need to look for in a training school(maybe in check list style....) it's not one of the "world class" ones-not well known- it's local, but i can't relocate again, so i will have to still live where i do now, so i need something local.
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Will Rambeau wrote 03/05/2008 03:51 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ] #184136 - 03/05/2008 03:51 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Please do not take this the wrong way, but do you think that you have the knowledge base or experience to become a protection trainer? Are you willing to take the severe bites ( think "finger amputation"...it happens more often that you'd think training *serious* dogs, and there are posters on this very forum that have been badly injured during training.)....are you willing and able to handle this? I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just that it's not the kind of field where you can attend a short course and be able to be a "protection trainer". I'm interested in what you hope to accomplish with your training. The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Mallory Kwiatkowski wrote 03/05/2008 04:14 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Will Rambeau ] #184149 - 03/05/2008 04:14 PM
Mallory Kwiatkowski Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2007 Posts: 947 Loc: Cold-ville, Wisconsin. Offline	the course is to get my foot in the door for the long haul. In short, i want the knowledge base and experience-if i had it already-well, i would not be asking about taking a course. I realize i can't gleen all there is from a 8 week course-that would take a life time-but i want to learn-and this is a start. yes-i am willing to take the severe bites-that comes with dog training/handling.
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Sandra Vernlund wrote 03/05/2008 04:27 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Will Rambeau ] #184153 - 03/05/2008 04:27 PM
Sandra Vernlund Webboard User Reg: 01-22-2008 Posts: 292 Loc: South Dakota Offline	Hi Mallory, Are you going to train your own dog for protection work or are you going to become a trainer? It may take you years of bloody, bruised training to get there but either way, if that is what you really want, go for it! JMO but people who train protection dogs (plural) have to take some pretty hard shots on a regular basis. Even if they are wearing a padded sleeve, it still hurts like the dickens! GSDs have a bite strength of 600lbs per square inch. Ouch! Not for me... Sandy
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/05/2008 04:39 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ] #184159 - 03/05/2008 04:39 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: mallory kwiatkowski In short, i want the knowledge base and experience-if i had it already-well, i would not be asking about taking a course. Of course I cannot speak for Will, but what I would have meant if I had asked about your experience base is a very strong foundation in more basic dog training. Obedience, CGC, etc., are good places to start. Protection isn't a good "starter" training choice. JMO.
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Al Curbow wrote 03/05/2008 05:16 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Sandra Vernlund ] #184166 - 03/05/2008 05:16 PM
Al Curbow Webboard User Reg: 06-30-2005 Posts: 974 Loc: northeast Offline	"GSDs have a bite strength of 600lbs per square inch. Ouch!" Not fact based
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Sandra Vernlund wrote 03/05/2008 07:15 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Al Curbow ] #184202 - 03/05/2008 07:15 PM
Sandra Vernlund Webboard User Reg: 01-22-2008 Posts: 292 Loc: South Dakota Offline	Al, please help me here. Some time ago I heard that GSDs have a bite strength of about 600lbs per square inch and I did a little homework to find out for sure and found that there was a study done in 2005 that measured the bite force of a Canis Lupis (wolf) at 593. Even though there were no findings for Canis Lupis Familiaris, am I wrong in how I interpreted this study? It seemed to support what I was told. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1564077#bib8 Sandy
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Al Curbow wrote 03/05/2008 08:04 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Sandra Vernlund ] #184209 - 03/05/2008 08:04 PM
Al Curbow Webboard User Reg: 06-30-2005 Posts: 974 Loc: northeast Offline	There's a program running on science discover channel that measured different animals, the dog that had the hardest bite was a rottie that looked like he was a Sch dog (250lbs psi). The alligator about 8' long was around 600lbs psi i think. Something to remember, 250 psi is a lot of force. They used a bite bar with sensors, it was cool. They estimated hyenas at an incredible 1000 lbs psi!
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Sandra Vernlund wrote 03/05/2008 10:34 PM Re: questions to ask [Re: Al Curbow ] #184234 - 03/05/2008 10:34 PM
Sandra Vernlund Webboard User Reg: 01-22-2008 Posts: 292 Loc: South Dakota Offline	Al, I'd like to see the program. Do you remember the name of the program? I tried to do a search for it but only found sharks and tigers. Discovery Channel right? This is getting off topic, I may have to pm you or start a new thread. Thanks.
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Mallory Kwiatkowski wrote 03/06/2008 07:37 AM Re: questions to ask [Re: Sandra Vernlund ] #184263 - 03/06/2008 07:37 AM
Mallory Kwiatkowski Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2007 Posts: 947 Loc: Cold-ville, Wisconsin. Offline	not train my current dogs-i mean one day, when i get a pup for the purpose of protection, then yeah-none of my current dogs could do that-they are pets. back to my original question-when looking at a training school-what do i need to be looking for-what would some red flags be-etc. yes-the course goes through basic ob training first, etc. And yes-i realize the physical injury risk i would be taking-i already said that. the idea is to do the course-which i know would not cover everything- work at a kennel or training place for a while to learn more, etc. i know i need more experience. Don't think i believe this course will throw me into the world of dog training, i know it won't, it's just a course. But like i said, i have to start somewhere. they aren't going to have me out there doing bitework on week one....not even close. so-please- could we compile a list maybe of what to look for in a school, some things that if i saw, to walk away, etc.
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