Alex Corral wrote 03/10/2008 10:38 AM Some breeds just not good at obedience? #185035 - 03/10/2008 10:38 AM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	I was wondering if some breeds just can't do competition obedience? Even at the most basic level? My brother has an English Bulldog I like to try to train when I see her, but she just stares at me, lost in space. She is a very sweet dog, but she just doesn't seem capable of more than a few commands. Has anyone heard of English Bulldogs in competition obedience? Or other breeds that we don't normally see competing?
Top
Will Rambeau wrote 03/10/2008 10:46 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Alex Corral ] #185039 - 03/10/2008 10:46 AM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	I've never seen one competing, maybe there's an Old English Bulldog doing UD work out somewhere but I've never heard of it. Breeds that are rarely, if ever seen in the Obedience ring: Afgan Black &Tan Coonhound Otterhounds ( you never see them for *anything* they're rare as hen's teeth ) Akita Malamutes Bulldogs Chow Chow There's more, I'm sure, but this is from my experiences, yours may differ. The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
Top
Sarah Ward wrote 03/10/2008 11:06 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Will Rambeau ] #185046 - 03/10/2008 11:06 AM
Sarah Ward Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2005 Posts: 227 Loc: Colorado Offline	There's a book I like, "The Intelligence of Dogs" by Stanley Cohen, that analyzes different types of canine intelligence and discusses this question. The author is a human psychologist but also a self-confessed keen amateur dog trainer for competitive obedience. The book includes a table of breeds ranked by "working" intelligence, based in part on a survey of obedience competition judges. #1 is the border collie, if I remember right the GSD is #2 or #3. Afghan hounds are dead last, with chows not much better. I can't remember where English bulldogs ranked, but (and Alex, I hate to tell you this) I don't think it was very high.
Top
Janice Jarman wrote 03/10/2008 11:06 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Will Rambeau ] #185047 - 03/10/2008 11:06 AM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	Then again, every breed of dogs has it's boneheads. A dog can be as sweet as can be, but still be pretty dumb. It's hard to train a dumb dog, no matter what the breed. Janice Jarman
Top
Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2008 11:09 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Janice Jarman ] #185050 - 03/10/2008 11:09 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Janice Jarman It's hard to train a dumb dog, no matter what the breed. But as a better trainer than I am told me, that's when you REALLY learn as a trainer!
Top
Mallory Kwiatkowski wrote 03/10/2008 11:16 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #185052 - 03/10/2008 11:16 AM
Mallory Kwiatkowski Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2007 Posts: 947 Loc: Cold-ville, Wisconsin. Offline	well, bulldogs, all the kinds are either way too happy/goofy to pay attention,or-no, that was it. they have a knack for picking up on work-doing a job, and to just "know" what farmer john wanted them to do(being bullbaiting or farm dogs), but as far as formal Obedience-i don't think the farmers who bred them really cared-so it (trainability) was never bred for. i have seen plenty of bulldogs with great manners,good pack structure, etc, but they suck at even basic ob. APBT's and staffys/amstaffs are another story-they generally excell at OB. Personally, i think it's because they are smarter than the other bulldogs.
Top
Janice Jarman wrote 03/10/2008 11:17 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #185053 - 03/10/2008 11:17 AM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	Too true. Note I didn't say impossible to train, just hard. Training is repeat, repeat, repeat. Training a bonehead is that squared. It teaches the trainer patience that's for sure. I had a sweetheart happy-go-lucky, but boneheaded boxer once. Max was a honey, and he finally did learn stuff. emphasis on the finally. Bless his heart. Janice Jarman
Top
steve strom wrote 03/10/2008 11:29 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Alex Corral ] #185060 - 03/10/2008 11:29 AM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Hey Alex, I did see a bulldog at the Cowpalace one year that went through all the basic obedience commands, quick and enthusiastic too. It drew a huge crowd. My friend has Afghans and puts CD's on them and has done it with a Borzoi in the past. So don't give up, that bull dog looked capable of a CD.
Top
Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2008 11:35 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Janice Jarman ] #185062 - 03/10/2008 11:35 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: janice jarman Too true. Note I didn't say impossible to train, just hard. Training is repeat, repeat, repeat. Training a bonehead is that squared. It teaches the trainer patience that's for sure. .... Having ob-trained two Pugs, with encouragement (and a little e-teasing) from good ol' Earth Dog Bob Scott, I'm here to say that "hard" does indeed teach the trainer lots.
Top
Alex Corral wrote 03/10/2008 11:36 AM Re: Some breeds just not good at obedience? [Re: Sarah Ward ] #185063 - 03/10/2008 11:36 AM
Alex Corral Webboard User Reg: 02-23-2007 Posts: 1102 Loc: Denver, CO Offline	Hey Sarah, I think I've seen that list. I was impressed with the dogs in the top ten, and I agreed with it. Lol... and no worries, the English Bulldog is my brother's and he doesn't care about competition obedience. I am working a Boxer, which I was surprised to see like at #45 or so on that list lol. My dog is very smart, just stubborn as hell at times. As Connie said though, is really not so bad. It will hopefully make me smarter.
Top

Previous Topic

Index

Next Topic

Page 1 of 6 123>>Last

When purchasing any product from Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. it is understood that any and all products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. are sold in Dunn County Wisconsin, USA. Any and all legal action taken against Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. concerning the purchase or use of these products must take place in Dunn County, Wisconsin. If customers do not agree with this policy they should not purchase Leerburg Ent. Inc. products.

Dog Training is never without risk of injury. Do not use any of the products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. without consulting a local professional. The training methods shown in the Leerburg Ent. Inc. DVD’s are meant to be used with a local instructor or trainer. Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. cannot be held responsible for accidents or injuries to humans and/or animals.

Copyright 2010 Leerburg® Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved. All photos and content on leerburg.com are part of a registered copyright owned by Leerburg Enterprise, Inc. By accessing any information within Leerburg.com, you agree to abide by the Leerburg.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.