 too high value???
#187388 - 03/26/2008 01:15 PM |
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i am having an issue with Maya.
She very high food drive, i mean, HIGH.
So high that anytime i use food as a reward, she cannot sit still, she is yapping, whimpering, doing anything she can to get that bit of food. Any food-nothing it more high value than anyother food. And when she takes is, she bites my fingers.
The problem is, i can't not use it, because she won't do any training with toys, petting, or even freedom. Nothing.
With Bart, i can ask him to sit then give him a toy. He's happy.
I get by very well with maya-i mean, she comes when i call her(mostly) and isn't bad in the sense that she has descent pack manners-but doing ANY kind of OB-no matter how tired i get her first, she goes NUTS when i use food rewards.
but she won't do anything at all i if don't.
sorry, i'm sure this is basic, but it's getting old-i need to fix it.
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Re: too high value???
[Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ]
#187406 - 03/26/2008 03:13 PM |
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Sounds like it's time for the correction phase of training for her. If you're sure she absolutely knows the command(s), then you give the command, say "no" when she doesn't respond and then pop the leash if she still doesn't respond. You can pair this with intermittent rewards, like 1 food reward for every 3 times you give the command.
Here's a great article by Ed on corrections:
http://www.leerburg.com/pdf/theoryofcorrections.pdf
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Re: too high value???
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#187408 - 03/26/2008 03:17 PM |
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that's the problem, i'm not sure she does know what the commands mean, so i can't correct her.
I ask her to sit-she just can't focus because she wants a treat. Even if i don't have anything, but she thinks i do-she is too busy jumping on me trying to get the treat to listen to what i am asking her to do.
I never could get anywhere with her training wise-so all she really knows is sit and down. That's it. And come.
how do i get her to a point to calm down long enough to make sure she knows what i am asking her to do?
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Re: too high value???
[Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ]
#187410 - 03/26/2008 03:21 PM |
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Mallory,
How does she know you have the treat?
I know that sounds really odd, but I keep mine in my pockets now. Ember gets hers when she does what she is told. If I am working on something new, then I hold treats in my hands......
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Re: too high value???
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#187412 - 03/26/2008 03:27 PM |
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yes, the treats are in my pockets, or in my hand. If she sees me reach in my pocket anytime of the day, she goes nuts. it can be in any pocket, even a coat pocket. She knows.....
plus, she is a little hound dog-she can smell that i have a treat, and when i don't, even if i have made no move yet. I used to try to trick her when she wouldn't come, i would pretend to go in my pocket.....she got wise to that quick. Bart still falls for that though, lol.
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Re: too high value???
[Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ]
#187415 - 03/26/2008 03:40 PM |
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You might want to start at the very beginning with marker training:
http://www.leerburg.com/markers.htm
I know it's a bit tough to figure out if she knows a particular command if you've always been using treats, but I think if she sits every time you tell her to sit when you have a treat, without any "help" from you, then I would have to figure she knows the command.
The other thing I wanted to mention is the come command. She should always be on lead when you tell her to come, so she can't decide on her own whether she's coming or not. You have to be able to enforce it at all times, so don't call her to you unless you can "reel her in" if she doesn't obey.
She sounds like a cute lively gal, and probably knows more than you think  . How old is she?
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Re: too high value???
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#187416 - 03/26/2008 03:49 PM |
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I agree with Sandy.
The reason I asked about her "knowing" you have treats is due to some people I talk with usually are frustrated and it turns out that the treat is in their hand or visible to the dog so the dog is throwing all kinds of behaviors in an excited manner to get at them.
One thing you might try in addition to Sandy's suggestion is a bait bag, or apron, but have it behind your back so that you have to reach back there. I do that with Jesea, otherwise she tends to sit too close in front so that she can have her nose right on the apron....the brat!!
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Re: too high value???
[Re: Carol Boche ]
#187425 - 03/26/2008 04:35 PM |
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I'm a bit confused. If she *never* focuses when you have treats, then how do you know that she knows any of the commands? You say she knows sit and down and come. How did you teach her those if she was always buzzing like a power line? How old is she?
How did you teach the sit and down? How long ago? How long did she reliably sit and down etc? Did you ever give her the treat reward before she finished the sit or down or without sitting etc? Have you ever rewarded her for the crazy behavior?
Try the physical maneuver method. Gently put her into a sit then mark and reward the correct position. Gently put her into a down, mark and reward. Keep her on a lead like a new puppy.
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Re: too high value???
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#187436 - 03/26/2008 05:20 PM |
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sorry, i know i make no sense when i type.
here goes a "Training" session with Maya.
I say Maya, sit. she does, with or with out treat, though if i have a treat, she squirms, and tries to down, and has lept to take the treat out of my hands. Down is similar.
When she takes a treat-it is very fast, and she bites fingers. I try holding the treat tight and making her take it slowly-no way, i get myself bit hard by her.
come-well, now, i don't give her the option to not come. But i used to not, and she got used to doing whatever she wanted, or only half way coming.
the problem is, that's as far as i got before i stopped really working OB with her(super busy for a few months), and when i started again, she went beserk when i pulled out treats, but would not do anything if i didnt have them. So i gave up out of frustration.
Now, i know i can't put this off any longer, like i said, she is a fine dog-she minds me if i tell her off or leave it or whatever, but her actual commands-forget it.
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Re: too high value???
[Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ]
#187450 - 03/26/2008 07:20 PM |
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Time for correction phase I would say....and also correct the snapping at the food.
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