Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 04/03/2008 11:37 AM questions about cedar? #188452 - 04/03/2008 11:37 AM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	I read in another post that cedar shavings were a 'no-no' for kennels/crates/etc. What about cedar boards? Unfortunately I used 4" wide cedar fence pickets to line the walls and floor of the dog house I just finished. My thinking was it would help keep bugs at bay and I wouldn't have to paint it... what kind of substances are 'given off' by cedar? Should I be taking this thing apart and replacing the cedar parts with something else?
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 04/03/2008 11:43 AM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #188453 - 04/03/2008 11:43 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	I have seen crate flooring made from cedar. I too am curious.
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Janice Jarman wrote 04/03/2008 11:51 AM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #188456 - 04/03/2008 11:51 AM
Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005 Posts: 505 Loc: Mid Missouri USA Offline	If your dog would chew or eat the chips or shavings, the oil can make your dog sick. Some dogs are sensitive to the oil in cedar and contact with the chips or shavings, which can get right down in their fur to their skin, can give them a rash, but not all dogs are sensitive. I don't think cedar wood planks would be a problem. http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dogmaint.html#Cedar%20shavings%20as%20bedding Janice Jarman
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Carol Boche wrote 04/03/2008 11:52 AM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #188457 - 04/03/2008 11:52 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Not sure about this answer, but I think it has more to do with the dust the shaving create and also the ingestion as well. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Jennifer Marshal wrote 04/03/2008 12:00 PM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #188459 - 04/03/2008 12:00 PM
Jennifer Marshal Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 1078 Loc: Southern Oregon Offline	Cedar and pine shavings are not recommended for any animal. Birds, rodents, ferrets, etc should not be kept on cedar and IMO not on pine either. Not sure about plants but I know shavings and chips are a no no. "Dr. Evans states that the extracts of cedar and other soft woods, such as pine, contain a number of aromatic (volatile) compounds including hydrocarbons, cedrene and cadrol. Naphthalene (the active ingredient in moth balls) is also a member but is a distinct compound. These compounds are known irritants of skin, and cause not only irritation, but the degeneration and death of the cells in the respiratory tract. Once this destruction is set in motion, the animals' defensive barrier is eroded, enabling infection by various microorganisms and secondary microbial infections of the lungs." From: http://www.anapsid.org/cedar.html Edited by Jennifer Marshal (04/03/2008 12:01 PM) Edit reason: spelling
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Sandy Moore wrote 04/03/2008 12:36 PM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Carolyn Pike Roman ] #188462 - 04/03/2008 12:36 PM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Carolyn, I believe even the cedar planks you used in your dog house will put your dog at risk. Cedar gives off its aroma for a long time and although it does work at keeping bugs away (that's why it's used in hope chests), your dog will be breathing in the fumes for a long time. I always figure if I can smell something, and cedar is very fragrant, multiply that fragrance times a thousand for a dog. I wouldn't want my dog to be smelling that or anything for an extended period of time. Cedar in hope chests, because they're enclosed, much like a dog house, will remain fragrant for years. Once cedar has seemingly lost its wonderful smell (to humans), which means the pores have sealed up on the surface, all you have to do is sand it to expose the pores underneath again, to bring the fragrance back. The smell of fresh cedar is extremely strong. I wouldn't take the chance. I know it's going to be a bear to undo what you've done, but I'd advise it.
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Carol Boche wrote 04/03/2008 12:41 PM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Sandy Moore ] #188464 - 04/03/2008 12:41 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Good to know. Also good to know that I do not use this type of "wood" as flooring in my crates or kennels. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 04/03/2008 12:52 PM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Sandy Moore ] #188465 - 04/03/2008 12:52 PM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	just for kicks: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2385783654_185e63646f.jpg?v=0 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2385783872_6a8c5834f4.jpg?v=0 not the cleanest, but then again I'm no carpenter, lol
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Shody Lytle wrote 04/03/2008 12:52 PM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Carol Boche ] #188466 - 04/03/2008 12:52 PM
Shody Lytle Webboard User Reg: 06-27-2007 Posts: 547 Loc: Orcutt, California Offline	I'm assuming if you have cedar fencing aound your yard, that this would be OK? It is outdoors so any fumes would dissapate quickly, right? My dog isn't outside by himself very often, almost never, so exposure would be minimal anyway. All this cedar stuff....who knew.. Shody http://www.pbase.com/shody
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Sandy Moore wrote 04/03/2008 01:16 PM Re: questions about cedar? [Re: Shody Lytle ] #188470 - 04/03/2008 01:16 PM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Cedar fencing, not a problem IMO. Not an enclosed area, dog isn't laying on it, lots of air circulation, distance, etc. Not a problem. Same with cedar sided houses, cedar decks. Aren't you glad you don't have to rip the siding off your house or replace your decks? We used to have a cedar sided house and a pine deck and a dog. All grew up well together Carolyn, great job on the dog house! Really! A lot of work went into that, I can tell! Is it on a very slight angle for rain run-off? A couple of degrees should be enough if not.
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