susan tuck wrote 04/21/2008 07:04 PM San Jose Seiger Show #191627 - 04/21/2008 07:04 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	There was a time when these words actually passed through my lips: "When the day comes that I am old and gray, and can no longer handle a german working line GSD, I hope to be able to find a nice german show line GSD to have by my side. After viewing the videos on U-Tube of the protection work, and seeing that these jokes were not only allowed to continue on to the next phase, but many were rated "VA" and "Pronounced"???? What a sad, disgusting joke, and this is supposed to be the best the USA has to offer?? Never, ever will one of those dogs grace my side. I'd rather be dead.
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Ingrid Rosenquist wrote 04/21/2008 08:43 PM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: susan tuck ] #191644 - 04/21/2008 08:43 PM
Ingrid Rosenquist Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2005 Posts: 1132 Loc: Offline	I saw the videos as well. It was pretty darn sad. http://www.psychtkennel.com
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susan tuck wrote 04/21/2008 09:29 PM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Ingrid Rosenquist ] #191655 - 04/21/2008 09:29 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Is it possible the judge was concerned for the mutiny he would have faced had he (correctly) dismissed 95% of the dogs?
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Sandy Moore wrote 04/21/2008 09:31 PM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Ingrid Rosenquist ] #191657 - 04/21/2008 09:31 PM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Can we put the blame where the blame lies? Not on the dogs, on people who bred them. The dogs are not a joke, the people who bred them are. The dogs are not crap, the judges who judge them are. Too often I read posts on "crap dogs". Frankly, it's downright irritating to hear this kind of talk on a dog forum. NO dogs are crap. The people who breed them are responsible for how these dogs turn out, not the dogs.
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susan tuck wrote 04/21/2008 10:05 PM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Sandy Moore ] #191667 - 04/21/2008 10:05 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Call it what you like, and of course I agree, the blame lies in the breeders/owners/trainers/judges. Plenty of blame for anyone who thinks this is correct GSD temperment. I would not own one of them.
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Norman Epstein wrote 04/21/2008 10:26 PM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Sandy Moore ] #191672 - 04/21/2008 10:26 PM
Norman Epstein Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2008 Posts: 283 Loc: Mandeville Louisiana Offline	Your right on target Sandy and along with the people who breed them their goals must share equal blame.
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Jeff Cambeis wrote 04/21/2008 11:00 PM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Norman Epstein ] #191678 - 04/21/2008 11:00 PM
Jeff Cambeis Webboard User Reg: 03-12-2008 Posts: 159 Loc: Sacramento Offline	Hey guys I have a question I hope you can answer about this thread. There seems to be a nagative reaction to this video and I would like to learn about it. If a group of people wanted to breed dogs acording to a standard then judge them according to that standard why is that negative? How is that different from another standard? Is not breeding all about selecting desireable traits. Because one group of people are selecting for one trait and another group selecting for different traits what make one group better? Who makes that decision and on what basis? Is there a difference in the physical or mental health of the dogs? Is it just an opinion thing?
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Will Rambeau wrote 04/22/2008 12:36 AM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Jeff Cambeis ] #191689 - 04/22/2008 12:36 AM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Quote: Jeff Cambeis If a group of people wanted to breed dogs acording to a standard then judge them according to that standard why is that negative? Because they're breeding for a weaker dog, that's why. It hurts the breed. And that's not opinion, that's a *fact*. The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 04/22/2008 02:26 AM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Will Rambeau ] #191693 - 04/22/2008 02:26 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Quote: If a group of people wanted to breed dogs acording to a standard then judge them according to that standard why is that negative? How is that different from another standard? Thats just it, they are not being held to the same standards! Thats like there being 2 schools. One for kids who aren't very bright and one for kids who are very intelligent. They all go to take the same exams to become a doctor, and all the intelligent kids are judged harshly and work hard to score well, and the kids in the other not so bright school get the same (or better) scores when they got most of the answers wrong on the same tests. If you are going to compete in a sport then they shouldn't relax the rules because of the lineage of a dog.
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Katie O'Connor wrote 04/22/2008 05:57 AM Re: San Jose Seiger Show [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #191699 - 04/22/2008 05:57 AM
Katie O'Connor Webboard User Reg: 01-09-2007 Posts: 556 Loc: Upstate NY Offline	Can someone post the video? Thanks, Katie SG S'Eliana vom Kraftwerk IPO3,AD,CGC,KKL1 Jaya von der Olgameister AD, CGC Pierre, the Poodle!
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