We had some phenomenal working lines however after losing our last bitch in Sept.2007 to (presumably) DCM we are looking to start over. Anja von Leidenschaft died in our arms on the training field last fall. She had done beautiful tracking and stunning obedience earlier in the day. After a few escape exercises working her stubborn "out" command, she came off the bite with a yelp of pain and confusion. She blamed the decoy and tried to rebite, then fell back on the ground. She died instantly. Anja was 6 years old. Her sire Bingo Germania met a similar fate at the age of (I believe) 7 years.

In 2006 I decided to go to university. We closed the bulk of our business, just training with our Schutzhund club and maintaining our breeding program. We sold and retired some dogs to make life a bit easier for us both. Ironically we spayed/retired Blitz von der Burgstatte since Anja was the stronger bitch. For the first time in my 13 years/Ron's 30 years, we are without a Dobermann.

I love the working Dobermann however I think the line breeding on the Weyermhule lines is getting crazy tight... it was our intention to somewhat outcross Anja on her next mating. I guess fortunately it didn't happen.

We are about to have a GS litter and are hoping to purchase a new Dobie bitch (young adult or pup) with some puppy proceeds.

I would appreciate honest imput on any breeding programs that have proven longevity, clarity of lines and results, etc. I don't necessarily believe anymore that the best dogs come from Europe, however I'm definitely not interested in show lines, regardless of where they're at.

We would like to be able to see the parents/siblings and know of the many generations in the pedigree. We are highly committed to our puppy buyers and if we are losing our dogs to health problems, they could be losing theirs too. We want our next Dobermann to come from a breeder as committed to their puppy buyers as we are to ours.

If you are not interested in posting a reply here I can be reached at ourpassion@leidenschaftkennels.ca

Thank you.

well if your look for some good working lines do some research on french lines "de La Villa De Channes" and a couple of german lines also out of romania "GINI HOUSE" you can go on http://www.dobermannreview.co.yu/default.php and do some research or http://www.usadobermann.net/

Hi Tammy,

So good to see you back online. My sincere condolences on the loss of your girl. I am sure you have many fond memories.

It is good to know you are starting again. To give you some suggestion on long lived working Dobermann lines I would refer you to Manfred Lerner of Bayern http://www.mlerner.de/. As you probably well know Bayern, along with Weyermhule and Mooreiche are the 3 most well known working lines.

He has done a few litters under his new FCI kennel name (due to moving away from Germany) Del Pais Baviera but has not published any future plans on his website.

Personally I do not believe these is a big difference in working ability between the Euro show and working lines in Dobes and therefore I think you have some more choices but everyone has their preferences.....

Good luck and I look forward to seeing you online.

Vadim
USADobermann.net

Thanks Vadim! It's good to be back. I'm a full time university student now (finally figured out what I want to be when I grow up! LOL ) so during the school year I have very little time on doggy sites! However my summer employment this year is staying home raising a GS litter! Can't think of a better job!

I will definitely go to Lerner's website, they do indeed have a good reputation. We were considering a Bayern stud for Anja's next litter, however I guess fortunately for future generations, it was not to be.

I was hoping to find a pup/young adult on this continent so we could visit the kennel (if possible with our schedules) and meet the parents, but we would not reject the idea of another import.

Keep in touch.
Tammy.

i too am trying to find a good working line Dobe, but in Australia that can be kind of hard as 98% of dobes in Aus are show lines, now i have nothing against them but i would prefer a good working line.
would you guys be able to help me out at all, if you know of any good breeders in Australia, that would be great. there are only really three maybe four breeders of true working lines, and they are - Von Forell, Von Roth, Von Liston, Von Hellas (Hellas have a bad rep) if anyone has heard anything at all about these kennles i would appreciate any feed back.

thanks everyone.
Jess

Hi Jess Rhodes
I can surely tell you which Dobermann breeders to stay away from in Australia. Von Hellas kennels, Hell, need i say more, money hungry puppy farmer is all that comes to mind about them. And Von Chien Loup the same as he also have their dogs in runs with faeces up to their ankles. I have visited both place and poor Doberman dogs, the conditions they live in is rough, cramped and a disgrace and in no condition for any dog to be in that state, these dogs need resecuring not breeding from. I would love to make this public but I don’t know the right way to go about it so i guess this is a start.
Amanda

Ops I also forgot to mention the Sydney guard dog training centre what a shocker selling Doberman without pedigree papers calming them to be form the toughest working bloodlines, and how does one justify selling a Doberman for $10,000 to $40,000 without any knowledge of the ancestries of the dog. I just hope people are not silly enough to actually by a dog from them.

YES, I agree Amanda, when we were looking to buy a Doberman last year we visited and spoke to a few other breeders in Melbourne in person and via telephone as many others also think the same about those same breeders mentioned. We actually flew down for the weekend and visited one of these kennels you mention above, all I can say is "I was absolutely DISGUSTED and SHOCKED in the conditions they keep their dogs”. KEEP AWAY. Many Dobermans breeders also claim to have strong working bloodlines in their dogs, which is a complete LIE, as I have recently discovered that many of the Doberman’s were crossed with show dogs which makes the Doberman lose the ability to become the true working dog bred to be, sad but true.
Ciao

In reply to your post Jess Von Hellas Hs a bad rep. I actually spoke to him and advised him how you have thrashed his kennel name. I would like to say few things in here. You should never ever bad mouth others if you do not have concrete evidence. His kennel gets inspected all the time. It because you are so jealous in my believe as he never wanted to sell you his dogs. You lied on his application forms and the way you potrait yourself was completely and unterly NOT true. During the application screening what you wrote in his emails you made your self look so big that you are one of the biggest trainer and dog lover. I suppose this explains alot of people about your character. You were also curious about what was his next import which costed him over 25 grand. WHy would he treat his dogsd really bad when he invested in so much money. Dont for he has his own security business as well. The guy does 3 jobs. So get your story RIGHT before you thrash him.

I would like you to respond to my findings.

Regards

dangerdarkdog

Amanda,

Please can you tell me since you classed vonhellas runs a puppy mill when was the last time he had litters. I will tell you almost 8 months ago. And if runs a mill he should have the pups at all times. How about you go and open a dictionary and read the defination of puppy mill. You got no idea what so ever . Also how yu bad mouth sydney dog training centre about he is selling those dogs for X amount of dollars . I am sorry you got the wrong training centres name. Get you story right from first place and then talk. This proves you are one of those people dont read the fact before you talk.

Regrds