I am just wondering what is an "appropriate" correction for a 5 month old GSD? The pup is in basic obedience training from my home *for three weeks now* and Im wondering how hard/soft the corrections should be. Should it all be motivational up to 6 months or a choke collar can be used for correction at this point in time?
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Michael
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I would not use any compulsion to train obedience at this age if you are going to be competing at any level or even just competing for fun. See my post on todays topics under"Too early for prong".
I stand by my statement. The only obedience type exercise I always make a young pup adgere to is the recall as it is for his/her safety.
Also using compulsion/correction for something like biting you, chewing a chair that he knows not to, jumping up, walking in front of you in the house and look at you straight in the eye at 5 months old and piss on the carpet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
- I think is definataly fine and deserved...this is not formal obedience...it is manners and acting properly.
Just my opinions...that happen to be shared by many.
Just to add a note, dictionary definithion of compulsion is "a force that compels"
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patrick, this is the definition for compel:
to cause to do or occur by overwhelming pressure
i do not think that one correction with a positively motivated foundation would qualify as "overwhelming pressure".
my idea of compulsive training is when the behaviors are taught with correction. this is not the same as teaching the behaviors with positive motivation and then giving a correction when the dog fails to obey a known behavior.
for two of my dogs, a sharp verbal "no" is a correction.
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I dont know what dictionary you have but the definition I have is the one I stated earlier; Compulsion-A force that compels (Websters Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary).
I never said compulsion is not needed...absolutly. I just said before IMO I would not use any on a puppy. Will make for bad feelings and a crap obedience picture in the future.
Depends what your training for I guess.
to get back to the original question, michael, i would not use correction on a dog after 3 weeks with him. doesn't matter if he is 5 months or 5 years.
you need to build a relationship with the dog, and gain his trust.
you need to teach the behaviors before you can correct for not doing them.
A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times before lying down.
--Roger Caras
Unless you are some super duper master trainer or you have Einstein as a dog, It is un-likely that your pup is fully through the learning phase of training in just 3 weeks. Sure, dogs can catch on to commands pretty quickly but why the rush to correct? People rush through this phase and correct before the pup really knows the command. Plus, you should be bonding with the dog also. Stay positive, develope a bond and be absolutely certain he knows the commands then you can introduce corrections.
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