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#18007 - 12/26/2002 03:43 PM |
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greetings all. i think it was d. thompson who best describes my problem. CONFUZZLED.my pup will obey basic commands , for praise. my problem is with the down command. he understands it , and does it ,if i physicaly position him. he will not do it on command.forget treats, when he thinks a treat is in the offing, he gets stone deaf, and ultra-hyper.then his alligator out cross kicks in and he is totally unmanageable. some one else has bound to have encountered this in the past. please advise me ,on correctional procedures.what am i doing wrong, ont not doing at all?
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#18008 - 12/26/2002 04:14 PM |
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I would suggest working on the treat-related excitement. Hold a treat in your closed fist, and let your puppy get all excited about it, while you remain completely neutral. Do not open your hand or give the puppy any feedback as long as he is acting like a goof. The moment he stops biting and scratchin at your hand, or bouncing around or whatever he does, simply open your hand and let him take the treat. Repeat this procedure about five times, and practice a couple of times daily. He should learn that the treat does not occur without a calm response. Once you get the calm response, use the treat to lure him into a down position, as you say the word "Down". Open your palm and let him take the treat when his elbows touch the ground.
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#18009 - 12/26/2002 04:40 PM |
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John, again this is NORMAL, or better than normal. Not the result of someone who is jinxing you. Puppies have great food drive, you just have to work on your timing and consistancy. After dealing with a dog with near no food drive, I am thrilled to have a little bounding barracuda to deal with. L is right about not giving him the treats till he behaves. Do you have Ed's 8 weeks to 8 months video? If not I strongly suggest it.
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#18010 - 12/26/2002 04:42 PM |
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lisa thanks for your response. would i accomplish the same goal, wearing a heavy glove? my hands and arms allready look like i've been in a "wild-cat sacking" contest. any further thoughts graciously accepted.
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#18011 - 12/26/2002 04:49 PM |
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Another option is to teach the positions on a small table. I used a little plastic side table that is from lawn furniture. Small enough that the dog can't move much, but large enough that the pup can get up from a down. Then by placing the treet below the level of the table top the only way the pup can get to it is by laying down. No force or positioning involved. It worked well and translated to doing the positions on the ground fine. Make sure to vary the command order so that the pup doesn't think that down always follows sit and stand always follows down.
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#18012 - 12/26/2002 04:52 PM |
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LOL, gotta love those needle sharp puppy teeth!! You might try spraying some Bitter Apple on your hands. If that doesn't work, when he bites your hand to get the treat, say "OW!!!" in a loud, high pitched voice, and withdraw the treat hand (tuck it under your armpit or something). Ignore him for a moment, with your hand out of the way, then try again.
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#18013 - 12/26/2002 07:11 PM |
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Hey John,What do you mean when you say the pup obeys basic commands?I would first concentrate on getting the pup under control.By this I mean I would first teach the pup to sit at my left side in heel position(without moving) and teach him to concentrate on my face.Hold the pups attention by convincing him/her that the treats are coming from your mouth,then I would teach a sit stay.Once youve got this then you have some control and then your better able to teach the down.I always use soft treats so the dog can continue looking at my face after the reward,hard treats they look down to chew.
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#18014 - 12/26/2002 08:13 PM |
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thanks david, i appreciate your advice,however this puppy has absolutely no conception or the command "heel", he has never been on a leash.i can just visualize that one. i would have such a screaming ,pulling ,,biting , little bat rastard that the neighbors would think i was trying to kill him.other than everyone but me thinks he's "normal". right gang?
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#18015 - 12/26/2002 08:35 PM |
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You need to start putting him on leash. You are only making your own life harder by delaying it. Take him out to potty on it. He may not want to go close to you, but you NEED to get him over that. (this coming from someone who just drove 1500 miles with a 9 week old pup) Rest areas, parking lots.... when you have to go somewhere and the pup needs to go it is much better if he will go on leash without too much fuss. Yep, mine screamed like a banshee at first too... but you can not let the little turd win like this now, you will pay for it later.
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#18016 - 12/26/2002 09:02 PM |
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Hey John,Im still curiouse as to what you mean when you say the pup obeys basic commands.Im not assuming your pup knows how to heel,heel is just a word used to decrsibe a position(your dog at your left side). My point being that you need to start from the very begining. If your dog doesnt like a leash,guess what,thats your starting point.The whole idea in what Im saying is you need to teach your pup the value of paying attention to you.He's on your time not his.Teach your pup to sit at your left side and focus on your face for his treats.If he beleives the treats come from your face(mouth) then build on him siting still and focusing on your face for short periods of time.Keep treating him over and over from your face.Then comes the sit stay. The whole idea in the begining is building a foundation somewhere.Then from that moving on to the next exercise.My favorite saying is obedience is not a series of tricks but a relationship you build with your dog.
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