Melissa Charles wrote 07/10/2008 12:57 AM So, The Honeymoon Is Over... #201262 - 07/10/2008 12:57 AM
Melissa Charles Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 85 Loc: Offline	Well, the honeymoon with Winston the pug is over. He's settled in and showing his true colours...and that's not a good thing. I'm wondering about this dog's nerves to be honest. First warning was when I was walking him, and a woman went by on the sidewalk, apparently too close for his liking. He snapped and lunged at her. If I didn't have him on a short leash as it was, he would have definately caught her leg. It hasn't been repeated, simply because when we walk him and where doesn't tend to have a lot of foot traffic, so the opportunity hasn't arisen. Then...he's fed in his crate. Always. My husband noticed he was growling and carrying on, but thought initially that it was just him 'talking' to his food. I discovered that it was a reaction to anyone walking by his crate. Myself, my husband or the kids. Tonight, my 22 mth old, attracted by the noise he was making, crouched down in front of the crate. She was a good 18 inches to 2 ft away, but he lost it, snapping and snarling at the door of the crate, even biting the wires. He has a plastic crate, with a small wire 'window' on each side, and the front door. I mentioned previously that he was hand shy, and that's still an issue. I'm wondering if this is a case of poor nerves.
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Debbie Bruce wrote 07/10/2008 02:00 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Melissa Charles ] #201264 - 07/10/2008 02:00 AM
Debbie Bruce Webboard User Reg: 08-23-2007 Posts: 1196 Loc: Centralia, Missouri Offline	This certainly doesn't sound like any Pug I've ever met. He sounds like William of the "William's Issues" thread. Have you asked the breeder if he did that before? Did he just have a Rabies vaccination?
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Claire Stadt wrote 07/10/2008 06:16 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Debbie Bruce ] #201272 - 07/10/2008 06:16 AM
Claire Stadt Webboard User Reg: 06-15-2008 Posts: 155 Loc: Missouri Offline	First,I would really be concerned with your children being anywhere near this dog. How old is this dog, how long have you had him? If he is older, was he socialized prior to coming to your home? I noticed you said the honeymoon is over, how did he act when you first got him? Is this a new unusual behaviror? I also have never heard of a pug with these behaviors. I have never owned one, however they were my sisters favorite breed and she raised them for years.
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Sarah Morris wrote 07/10/2008 08:49 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Debbie Bruce ] #201278 - 07/10/2008 08:49 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Quote: debbie bruce He sounds like William of the "William's Issues" thread. Yes, he does. Melissa, if you haven't already seen this you may want to take a look at this post: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/201257/page/0/fpart/1 True
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Melissa Charles wrote 07/10/2008 08:54 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Claire Stadt ] #201279 - 07/10/2008 08:54 AM
Melissa Charles Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 85 Loc: Offline	We've had him almost a month now. He's nothing at all like the pug we had before, and to say I'm concerned is an understatment. I'm partway through reading the William thread, but its not being in the crate that causes him to be aggressive its when he has his RMB that he loses it. As I said, I'm worried that this is a nerve issue...and how to deal with that with young children in the house. A dog that lives its life in the crate because I can't trust it around the kids (he's tethered to my husband and I at all times when out, but I'm even concerned with that) isn't what we want, for the dog or for us. Edited by Melissa Charles (07/10/2008 09:05 AM) Edit reason: adding info
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Michael Haddon wrote 07/10/2008 09:37 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Melissa Charles ] #201284 - 07/10/2008 09:37 AM
Michael Haddon Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 84 Loc: Greenwood, MS "Birth Place of the Blues" Offline	Hey Melissa, You need to ask the breeder if he showed signs of this before hand. Is this the only signs of agression? If so it just food agression sorry its hard to impossible to brake. Does he do it with kibble??? my german will attack my wife and the cats over RMB hence the reason she gets kibble. I wanted to see if feeding her as much as she could possible eat for a week would curve the agression but not an option for me so kibble and some small meat mixed in if I sneak it past the wife. Most I have ever accomplished with food agression was to get it to a managable level. I dont know if anyone as ever fixed true food agression I mean 2 day old pups show signs of it.
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Aaron Myracle wrote 07/10/2008 09:59 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Michael Haddon ] #201286 - 07/10/2008 09:59 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Definitely sounds like he doesn't need RMBs for awhile. But that doesn't really explain the behavior on his walk. How old is he, and when was his last vet checkup? Weren't you having issues recently with getting him to settle down and be mellow in the house? If so, was that ever resolved, and how? Like others, I've never personally owned a pug, but the ones I've met have always seemed so personable and friendly- this does seem out of charector for the breed. My first thought would be to evaluate whether anything has changed in his routine, and whether or not he was feeling okay, medically.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2008 10:25 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Debbie Bruce ] #201291 - 07/10/2008 10:25 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: debbie bruce This certainly doesn't sound like any Pug I've ever met. He sounds like William of the "William's Issues" thread. Have you asked the breeder if he did that before? Did he just have a Rabies vaccination? I have worked with two dominant aggressive Pugs and more than two with other behavior challenges (like fear-snapping). Yes, all the health and vax issues should be examined, etc., and most Pugs are submissive and low-energy, but we should definitely not view this as "must be health because Pugs are never like this." Pugs can have all the degrees of aggression that other breeds have and can be dealt with as other breeds are.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2008 10:27 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Melissa Charles ] #201292 - 07/10/2008 10:27 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: melissa charles We've had him almost a month now. He's nothing at all like the pug we had before, and to say I'm concerned is an understatment. I'm partway through reading the William thread, but its not being in the crate that causes him to be aggressive its when he has his RMB that he loses it. By "RMB" do you mean recreational bone? RMBs are the basis of raw feeding, but I guess from context that you mean a special treat-bone?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2008 10:33 AM Re: So, The Honeymoon Is Over... [Re: Melissa Charles ] #201293 - 07/10/2008 10:33 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Melissa Charles First warning was when I was walking him, and a woman went by on the sidewalk, apparently too close for his liking. He snapped and lunged at her. ...he's fed in his crate.... snapping and snarling at the door of the crate ... What did you do when the walk attack happened? Nothing like that again? Is he aggressive with his regular food? What's he like tethered in the house? Are the bone and the one walk attack the only incidents so far?
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