I am getting so sick of seeing a dog small enough to act as a yo-yo on a pinch collar. If you, as a trainer, need a collar like that for any dog under 35 pounds or 8 months old then drop the leash and go be an accountant.
It makes more sense to me to start light and increase intensity of training tools. Start with a buckle and give light corrections. If there is no success and the dog is over 4 months old move up to a Nylon Check Cord. Then, a Metal Check Chain. As a last resort use the pinch only because most people don't know how to use it and haven't figured out its all how you handle the tool not how the tool handles the dog. I am completely confident that I can get a dog to do whatever I want on leash with a properly fitted buckle collar and no treats unless I'm teaching a trick. The correction should come from your body language not from a foreign object around your dogs neck or face. Any questions?
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Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Jillian,
So are you saying that there are no "hard" smaller dogs such as a JRT that wouldn't be better trained on a prong?
And I just got back from training with Michael Ellis, who certainly considered using a prong on a high-drive dog at around six to eight months as a valid training tactic.
Since you asked "any questions?", mine would be - are you training high-drive powerful competition candidates ( as most of us here are ) that are better controlled on a prong?
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Quote: Jillian Blesser
... If you, as a trainer, need a collar like that for any dog under 35 pounds or 8 months old then drop the leash and go be an accountant.
It makes more sense to me to start light and increase intensity of training tools. Start with a buckle and give light corrections. .... Any questions?
The size of the dog has nothing to do with the training tools, Jillian.
It makes sense to me to start light, too. What does the weight of the dog have to do with it?
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WHERE are all these people coming from?????!!!!!!
And what the heck is a Metal Check Chain.....sounds like a choker which is WAY worse than a PRONG collar in some peoples hands.
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WHERE are all these people coming from?????!!!!!!
And what the heck is a Metal Check Chain.....sounds like a choker which is WAY worse than a PRONG collar in some peoples hands.
IMHO chain chokes are way worse in almost ALL hands.
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