 Snap-Open Bait Bag
#204665 - 08/06/2008 11:43 AM |
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Hi all,
Because I have started taking formal training classes, I wanted a treat/ bait bag to use, so I ordered the Snap Bait Bag from here.
It is very well made and I MUCH prefer the snap lock over a drawstring or zipper.
While not completely clear in the page for this item, it DOES have two pockets: the main pocket with snap-close and another pocket on the front for anything else. This was a plus for me and adds to the value.
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#204667 - 08/06/2008 11:47 AM |
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Keep in mind that a bait bag should be worn on your back, not your front, to avoid the action of the bag becoming the signal to do something rather than the hand/verbal signal. Even if you don't use marker training (I don't know if you do or not) the dog LOOKS for markers, instinctively, so the movement of your hand can either be the signal to do something, or the reward/release.
Having it behind you helps because it keeps you from fiddling with the bag, and it keeps the dog from lining up on the bag, or looking at it rather than you.
So choose your bag based on the idea that it will be worn behind you.
JMHO
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#204668 - 08/06/2008 12:02 PM |
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Yes to both posts!
http://leerburg.com/736.htm
is my favorite by far, and I keep it right by the door. In fact, I keep it "loaded" with purchased "bait" (like http://leerburg.com/1078.htm )for a quick grab to "grab & go" even when I might not have some homemade to add in and liven it up.
I did have some coordination problems at first with wearing it behind, so I would fill one hand with teeny treats as surreptitiously as possible to avoid reaching for the bag for every piece.
I practiced "quick draw" at home in front of a mirror.
I had almost forgotten these little stumbling block challenges that I had at first! 
It's possible that others have more grace and coordination.
Nah .......
Edited by Connie Sutherland (08/06/2008 12:08 PM)
Edit reason: add quick draw
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#204671 - 08/06/2008 12:03 PM |
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I LOVE the bait bags as well as the training apron.
The advice about the bag being behind your back is good. I take it one step further and am always switching where my treats are at.
Sometimes I use the bait bags. Sometimes they are in my pockets, either shirt, pants, coat, sweatshirt or whatever. That way the dog has NO idea where the treat may come from.
Also, another big thing that Michael Ellis taught me was to ALWAYS switch hands so that the dog does not become accustomed to the treat always coming from the left or right.
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#204675 - 08/06/2008 12:10 PM |
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... Also, another big thing that Michael Ellis taught me was to ALWAYS switch hands so that the dog does not become accustomed to the treat always coming from the left or right.
That was a biggy for me, too, because it really helped to keep the dog's focus on my face when s/he stopped looking for hand clues (after being "fooled" many times)!
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#204828 - 08/07/2008 11:48 AM |
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Good points. I wear mine all the time- whether training or not- while outside. My thought is that she won't connect the bag to training if I wear it and don't use it.
The behind the back thing sounds good, but wouldn't they become accustom to seeing you put your hands behind your back?
Reminds me of the old joke... put 100 dog trainers in a room and the only thing they agree on is that every other dog trainer is wrong. 
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#204900 - 08/07/2008 10:40 PM |
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Reminds me of the old joke... put 100 dog trainers in a room and the only thing they agree on is that every other dog trainer is wrong. ;\)
I've heard the same joke, only among my horse-training colleagues. It's funny because it's true on both counts!
I have this bag too and I love it. It has taken a beating and still looks good and works well (why does it always seem that I rate stuff on it's ability to take a beating?....hmmm)
I agree that as a rule it's good to keep the bag behind your back, but I never have just because I never got in the habit. I train with a clicker, and if my dog gets fixated on anything that seems to be it. Generally though, he tends to do the things he's going to get 'paid' for, and that's never been looking at my hands. Sometimes I spit treats from my mouth (eew), throw the treat in the air to catch, throw it on the ground between his paws or reward him with a toy, so he can't really get a fix on where it comes from or what it'll be, and that helps keep him off my hands too. Different strokes, as they say.
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#205083 - 08/09/2008 10:01 AM |
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I just purchased the snap open bait bag and love it!!!! I have not had a problem with my dog(yet) becoming fixated on where the bait is coming from. I did a lot of early training on focus with food coming from wherever I got the notion so I think this helped a lot. This bag is by far the best I have seen and as usual most all of Leerburgs stuff is.
Lorelei
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#283222 - 07/06/2010 10:28 AM |
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So I have a snap open bait bag and loaded it with them paws gourmet all natural treats... and my new rescue does not care for them AT ALL! But he will eat browned ground beef and cooked pieces of chicken.
I'm worried that the bait bag will get all oily and gross if I filled it up with ground beef/chicken. So my question is... how have people here dealt with putting real food into bait bags and cleaning them afterwards?
One idea I came up with but haven't tried yet is... lining the bait bag with a ziploc sandwich bag or something. Please tell me what you do! Thanks! 
Louie!
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#283224 - 07/06/2010 10:40 AM |
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I throw my little sandwich baggy in it -- the one that lives in the fridge and has leftover bits of meat and cheese in it -- and I snip off that top band if it's a zip-lock, because I just want a little liner, sort of, but no impediment to my hand. (The last thing I want is to have to focus on the source of the reward and work at getting the next one out.)
I prefer that the baggy be the flimsiest kind, just the bottom half of it, opened up in there.
I often keep purchased LB rewards in, though, with no baggy at all, from one session to the next.
http://leerburg.com/treat.htm
All that top row plus the Grizzly-Nu treats have lived in my bait bag with no ill effects.
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