 Mulberry Suspends Police Dog Program
#204694 - 08/06/2008 02:08 PM |
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I'm just wondering what some of your thoughts are on this topic.
I live in central Florida, and last month a police K-9 named Diesel (2 yr old GSD) died of a heatstroke when the A/C unit in the car failed. The car was at the time waiting for a heat alarm, which would have alerted the handler to any potential problems. The community had such and out cry, banging on the doors of the police station, yelling at and threatening the officers, and sending threats by mail. Last night the police station announced that they were suspending their police dog program, and the remaining K-9 would be staying at the handlers house until the issue could be resolved. They had only had this dog for a few months at the time when all this happened. I do not think IMO that this was the handlers fault, I know many handlers to have left their dog in the car with out issue. I feel very sad for the dog and the handler to have gone through this situation. Just wanted to know what some of your thoughts are.
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#204718 - 08/06/2008 03:44 PM |
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Laura,
For my part it's hard to know what to think about it. While I doubt seriously that I would have been one of the the people beating down the doors of the police station, I would be one of the people wanting some accountablity on why such a valuable asset was deployed without the proper equipment. A very cheap piece of equipment at that; it probably amounts to not much more then a $10 sensor and a little wiring, the regular vehicle service personal could easily seen to it.
What were they thinking? Hoping it wouldn't get hot that day! Hoping that mechanical things don't break? I suggest someone wasn't thinking and that person should be looked at much more closely to determine if their cutting of corners is effecting any other part of the service.
Yeah I'd be looking for answers, the whole thing in my mind is inexcusable. But outrage? Seems a little over the top.
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy
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#204736 - 08/06/2008 06:28 PM |
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As usual, the person making the bad decisions is not the one punished. Underlings take the flak for poor leadership.
"The flogging will continue until moral rises" pretty much applies here.
Howard
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#204737 - 08/06/2008 06:38 PM |
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As usual, the person making the bad decisions is not the one punished. Underlings take the flak for poor leadership.
"The flogging will continue until moral rises" pretty much applies here.
Howard
Isn't that the way it is in our business though Howard. Those sensors are a bit more than 10 dollars too. They cost a few hundred, which is cheap compared to the price of a dog. All of our cars are so equipped (45 or so). They can fail, although (knock on wood) that's not happened to us. There are those occasions where a dog may be left unattended for an hour, maybe two. It's rare they would be left longer than that. It's a tough situation and to be honest I have very mixed emotions about it. It shouldn't happen, but the reality is; it does.
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#204742 - 08/06/2008 07:41 PM |
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Why the veil can't be pulled aside to make those really responsible account for their actions is something I have never been able to understand. So you're right the small guy following orders will probably end up paying the price. And nothing will really be solved. Same old, same old.
I agree, a few hundred dollars is and would be cheap for a valued asset David. Admittedly $10 was a bit of hyperbole, however, I submit that any department that is paying a few hundred dollars to install something that amounts to nothing more than a thermostat (think house hold furnance, think smoke alarm) is making somebody's brother rich. I'd like to see the figures and justifications for outlays of a few hundred.
If I'm not learning, I'm not paying attention.
Randy
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David, for a few hundred dollars spent on each vehicle I bet could make a system thats 99% full proof maybe higher.
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#204750 - 08/06/2008 08:29 PM |
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more than a thermostat (think house hold furnance, think smoke alarm) is making somebody's brother rich. I'd like to see the figures and justifications for outlays of a few hundred.
If I'm not learning, I'm not paying attention.
Randy
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David, for a few hundred dollars spent on each vehicle I bet could make a system thats 99% full proof maybe higher.
I know nothing of electronics, I know it rolls down the windows and sounds the horn and flashes the lights. There is also a pager option, the unit notifies a pager carried by the Officer. you know the old saying, build a better mouse trap. If you can build it, you'll sell it.
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#204756 - 08/06/2008 09:07 PM |
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It's a mechanical device. It will fail...eventually. Ours have to be tested nightly. Who knows how many tests the dang thing will take before it fails. Unfortunately it'll probably fail at the wrong time(Murphy's Law) and you're right back to having citizens brandishing pitchforks at the PD.
To be fair, the ones we use are of very high quality. Who knows what the quality is of the installation. The installer might have had a bad day and made a bad connection somewhere which would doom it to fail prematurely. They have failed, though it wasn't catastrophic.
Those responsible will never be disciplined. And if they are, it'll be a slap on the wrist.
Howard
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#204768 - 08/06/2008 09:50 PM |
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The installer might have had a bad day and made a bad connection somewhere which would doom it to fail prematurely.
You should see hadjii wiring. Hit a bump, lose your overheads.
Those responsible will never be disciplined. And if they are, it'll be a slap on the wrist.
That's what the peons are for.
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#204776 - 08/06/2008 10:28 PM |
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Ya got me there Howard, the only thing in this life that is 100% for sure is that none of us are going to get out of it alive.
For electronics though, the more important systems incorporate a self check list/disable/warning lite (or should do), or alarm if you will. For something as simple as lights, windows, and horn activating, the circut check wouldn't be any more complicated than the lite bulb out warning many autos already use as standard equipment.
You know the sad part is the officer wouldn't have had a choice or a voice in the matter. I'm fairly sure he tried his best with the tools he was ordered to use.
It's all a very sad tale....Stepping over dollars to save dimes, and a selfless member of the force pays the ultimate price in the end.
Randy
Edited by randy allen (08/06/2008 10:33 PM)
Edit reason: I can't get out of anything lately without editing
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#204779 - 08/06/2008 10:49 PM |
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I'm just wondering what some of your thoughts are on this topic. Just wanted to know what some of your thoughts are.
The focus has been on a 10? - 100? dollar part! And not the death of a LEO! beit' a K9. Plenty of bad guys have had to be apprehended with a k9 and some have been charged with assaulting a LEO, for injuring a k9 LEO performing their duty. So why doesn't the one responsible for, and the decision(s)that led to the death of such an expensive dog, not be held accountable?
I know nothing about Mulberry. But for it's citizens to revolt like that. Makes me wonder if they pitched a levy to cover the cost of a k9 program. To only let an expensive dog needlessly die! Then wonder why the natives are so angry.
I wonder why there wasn't a uprising a yr or so ago in Arizona. when a LEO left his K9 partner in his car for ten hrs so he could go shopping with his wife! And last I heard all he got was a written repremand! sic
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