Hey everyone. I've posted this to see what you guys think about these dogs/pedigrees for the future breeding I'm considering a puppy out of.

For starters, there is a breeding that I'm interested in that will take place next year. Possibly for a dog who will be one of my future competition dogs. Not for breeding, just competition.

Here is the males pedigree http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/478230.html
As of now he only has his BH, and AD titles. The current owner of him got him fairly recently from a friend in England, and they did not title him because titles aren't as important over there as they are here. The dog is nearing his Schutzhund 1 title, and the others will continue after that. Now on to the good things about the dog...... He has a huge nice head, very good conformation, excellent nose in tracking, fast hard hits in protection, and he does well in his obedience also. He is very confident, stable in all situations, good with kids and other people. He has sired some puppies who are somewhat older now and she said they are training for police work. And I think one is nearing a SchH title. Now I'm curious about his pedigree also. I'm not as familiar with czech dogs as I am DDR.

Now on to the female, Zelda. I use to own Zelda and had her as a puppy. Not going into why she went to another home, thats not the issue,. Anyways, here is Zeldas pedigree..... Not the best picture of her.....I'm familiar with a lot of the Czech dogs in her pedigree, Czech and DDR. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/520531.html

I do know a lot about her from experience of working with her. She has crazy good drives, and her ball drive is insane, and from what her owner says about her now, she is doing well in her tracking. Very willing to please in her work. Shes got a nice head and ear set, very confident and stable also in all situations. She will be bred next year depending on if she OFAs good. I know her pedigree has a lot of good dogs on the dams side that I am familiar with.... and her sires side doesn't have as many titled dogs starting early, but I do know some of them were involved in police work. The titles on her sires side don't start until a few generations back. now I'm also curious about the linebreeding... the linebreednig will be on

VELMI DOBRY Kaso z Pohraniční stráže CS CZECH POLICE DOG, ZVV1, SP-PS Kkl 2
Here is his pedigree http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/123828.html


And then the other dog in the linebreeding is http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/417557.html

Does anyone know anything about either of those dogs? I'm just doing more homework for the future.

Seems like what you want is a BLACK GSD to play around in SchH with. There's probably no reason you wouldn't enjoy a pup from this litter very much. Seems to me like a decent show pedigree that will produce black puppies. This being said, REALIZE that if you're after a WORKING DOG you can find stronger lines. But by the sounds of it you're not intent on crushing bites, powerful fight, or any sort of civil edge. Good luck with your pup!

Caveat: I'm not entirely familiar with the lines of this litter, I just know that no names really jump out at me as having been recommended when I was looking for a strong, civil, working GSD. That's the position I am speaking from.

5 years old, and only a BH? I'd wonder if the dog had training issues. That just seems a long time without getting at least a SchH1 on a dog, especially if you're breeding, and a serious breeder. I almost got the feeling reading the breeder's site, that they are breeding down their dogs a little bit, from all the talk about breeding so that dogs can be good house dogs.

I'm not familier with that breeder, or their lines, so I'm just giving my impression from a surface assessment.

If you like Black GSDs, or very dark sables, like the one in the pic below, and you want to do SchH/Sport work, I can recommend a good breeder.

I don't know squat about pedigrees and probably couldn't learn it very quickly so to get a Sch dog I could work with I used the club. I saw both the bitch and dog up close and saw them work obed, tracking and sleeve work. When they had pups I picked a female that liked to play rough and wasn't bothered by sharp noises. What also really nice is I get to see the bitch and dog as they get older to watch for any health issues. Since the dog was untitled because handler was just waiting for a trial date I got the puppy for a very resonable price. The stud dog has since recieved Sch titles. The bitch is now retired and is my feet warmer under the computer desk

The dog only having a BH has nothing to do with his current owner. I'm not sure if I stated.....but the dog was imported from England, and the owners in England did Schutzhund work with it, I did see videos....but they did not title the dog, one because they did not have a good club, and two because titles aren't seen as being THAT important over there, as they are here. I don't think theres really anything wrong with the male at all to be honest.

I'm editing this...what breeders can you suggest? I'm actually either considering the one I previously talked about.....or...another puppy out of Rocky/Isiz.....which would be Zeldas parents, the female in the breeding. They aren't titled, but I know what they produce.

I'll shoot you a PM.

Shane Vetter, I just sent you a PM.

Shane, are you looking to import a Czech dog or buy one here in the US? If you are more specific, there are great choices either way that people can help you with.

For Schutzhund? I would say that I would pass on that litter, it is hard to get a good dog out of stronger breedings than that.

The male top line pedigree is Ok as far as Czech dogs with a lot of SP/PS ZPS dogs in it. I am not fond of the female's pedigree at all with both parents being untitled and not a lot of strong dogs behind it.

Roll the dice with that one.

Well, I'm looking for DDR/Czech basically. Zelda turned out nicely to have come out of parents who weren't titled. I'm open to any and all suggestions though, as I am looking to get a new puppy sometime around the spring or summer of next year. I'm trying to do my homework for now, and see whats out there, and what should produce what I want.

I will PM you on where I would go get a Czech/DDR in this country or another one...........