Eric Sacks wrote 08/27/2008 01:03 PM nuts as treats? #207545 - 08/27/2008 01:03 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Hi All, As many of you probably already know from my other novice postings, I am new to feeding raw. So, here's another newbie question: I have been using pecans (unsalted, of course) as training treats for my puppy, Cleo (5 m/o Presa about 65-70 lbs). She seems to love them and I have noticed no ill effects. On the days I use pecans, she probably eats about 4-6 halves throughout the course of the day. I keep them in my pocket and give her a small piece of a half as reward. They are great for carrying around town in shorts pockets: no smell, no mess I know walnuts and mac nuts can be toxic. What are your opinions on other nuts (pecans, almonds, pine nuts, cashews, etc.)? Her stools are always normal and no different on pecan days. Mahalo for reading http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Carol Boche wrote 08/27/2008 01:21 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #207547 - 08/27/2008 01:21 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Hi Eric, Mmmmmm, to be honest, I would not use them. But that is just me and I do not give my dogs anything other than meat, cheese, or soft dog treats. There are tons of treats out there that your girl will probably love and are no muss, no fuss too. Zukes Minis are wonderful, the dehydrated chicken, beef liver and pig hearts are great too, I put those in a sandwich baggie in my pocket because they can be "dusty". Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Angela Burrell wrote 08/27/2008 01:32 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Carol Boche ] #207551 - 08/27/2008 01:32 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	I don't know about pecans, but the Zuke's minis that Carol mentioned is what I use, they are soft but fairly dry and I find they dont make much mess. Edit: If it helps, a quick Google search on the toxicity of pecans in animals turned up nothing. (it is easy to find such information for other toxic foods like avocado, so I'd say it's a good sign).
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Eric Sacks wrote 08/27/2008 01:32 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Carol Boche ] #207552 - 08/27/2008 01:32 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Thanks Carol, I use Zukes Minis (chicken and salmon) also. She loves them I usually use the nuts when I'm working outside (and sweating--don't worry Cleo is always in the shade) or going to the beach (I can't seem to remember to take the treats out of my darn pockets). The plastic bag (ziplock for me) is a great idea I really appreciate your advice and I don't mean to be pushy or disrespectful, but what is it about the nuts that leads you to not use them? You guys have all been great, have helped Cleo and me immeasurably and know much more than I do. Nevertheless, I'm one of those types that "needs" a reason for everything http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Michael Haddon wrote 08/27/2008 01:32 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Carol Boche ] #207553 - 08/27/2008 01:32 PM
Michael Haddon Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 84 Loc: Greenwood, MS "Birth Place of the Blues" Offline	I have lots of pecan trees in my yard. I haven’t had a dog one that hasn’t figured out what was in those shells and started cracking them by their selves. I don’t know if they are good for them just know I can’t stop them from eating them. At least mine don’t eat shell and all they will actually shell it. So Eric with that all said I would probly use the nuts just if I cracked them I would have to eat them.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/27/2008 01:43 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Michael Haddon ] #207555 - 08/27/2008 01:43 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Macadamia nuts and walnuts should be avoided, period (toxic). In fact, I have read that most nuts are not good for a dog's health (in quantity) because of their high phosporus content and possible bladder stones. I mean tree nuts. Peanuts (groundnuts) are not true nuts in this sense. JMO! Authoritative citations would be good.
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Carol Boche wrote 08/27/2008 01:46 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #207556 - 08/27/2008 01:46 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Eric Sacks I really appreciate your advice and I don't mean to be pushy or disrespectful, but what is it about the nuts that leads you to not use them? Not pushy or disrespectful at all. To be honest, I really have an exact reason other than, I just don't Maybe the big one would be is I don't share the food I love with my dogs just as I don't eat their favorites either (well, raw anyway) Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Angela Burrell wrote 08/27/2008 02:00 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Carol Boche ] #207561 - 08/27/2008 02:00 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	According to my google research, the (broken) shells pose a hazard as well as the whole ones (obstruction). The nuts themselves don't *appear* to be toxic, but I really am not sure. I edited my post above, just to say that when you search on the toxicity of foods like grapes or avocado, you get lots of results and warnings. I didn't get any for pecans... so... I guess this is good. I guess long term effects are what you need to be concerned with more. (And I don't know what those would be)
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Eric Sacks wrote 08/27/2008 02:44 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Angela Burrell ] #207567 - 08/27/2008 02:44 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Thanks for all of your input I guess I'll cool it a while on the nuts, until I can find out more. I figured it might be a good way to add variety and perhaps a few trace nutrients into her diet. (Plus, she loves them ). But I don't want to risk any long term damage. BTW, I've been giving her only raw, unsalted, pre-shelled pecans. If anyone knows more, I would love to hear. Mahalo again. http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/27/2008 02:55 PM Re: nuts as treats? [Re: Eric Sacks ] #207568 - 08/27/2008 02:55 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	http://www.dogbreedz.com/dog_articles/dogarticle/foods_fido_should_avoid.htm http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/476041 http://dog.justanswer.com/anxiety-in-dogs/go3n-pecans-nuts-bad-dogs Kinda rushed right now -- anyone have any authoritative sources?
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