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We are trying out a new dog today. She is 10 months old, a rescue. We read Ed's article on introducing new dogs and have put her crate in the living room, our dogs went to meet her at the shelter and they got along pretty well, no agression. They walked together for about 1/2 hour or so.
We noticed that when our dogs come up to the crate to greet her, tail wagging, she responds aggressively by barking and growling.
She is a very friendly and sweet dog with people and got along well with the shelter dogs. I know it will take time. However, she has never been trained at all and is just now getting used to a leash. What type of correction would you give to her to stop this behavior in her crate.
My dogs are sticking to me like glue and just look at her from a distance.
I read old form threads on this and I just want to be sure I am doing things ok. I tell the new dog no and will admit I squirted her with the water bottle to get the message across that the word no is a bad word, she has no idea about any words. It looks like she was just a dog out in the back yard with no interaction.
Her story is she was brought in with two puppies, they were adopted she wasn't.
Appreciate any help.
Sharon Empson
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I would give her time to adjust to her new home, before introducing her to your other dogs. Everything is new to her at this point, and she is still a puppy.
I definately would not be sqirting her with water or giving corrections for things that she doesn't know. I would be positive with her and let her get comfortable in her new home.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa......
This is a new dog, to the home, to you, and imagine how she feels....she is locked up and strange dogs are allowed to approach a place that is supposed to be her "haven" and "safe" place.
She probably feels threatened and since she cannot flee, she relies on aggression display.....
My dogs are NOT allowed to approach crates that are occupied, not matter if it is my dogs or someone elses.
This dog does NOT deserve any kind of correction. You, as pack leader, are responsible to protect her and integrate her into the pack.
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I have to agree 110% with every reply.
You are her protector, her leader.
"What type of correction would you give to her to stop this behavior in her crate?"
The answer is that other dogs are not permitted to accost her in her crate, friendly or not.
She needs to settle in, and even more, she needs to see you as her protector. Squirting her for doing the only thing she knows to do when she is anxious and helpless and surrounded by strange dogs..... isn't a good thing.
When I have a new adoptee, the first days are spent developing a trusting bond between the new dog and me. No corrections (because she cannot possibly have had training from me in that time frame that she is ignoring and earning corrections for) ....
Good for you that you have a rescue. You will be so glad later that you start out on the right (trusting, fair) foot.
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P.S. Not trying to jump on you at all. It can be a little chaotic with already-resident dogs and a new one straight from the scary shelter and who-knows-what-else.....
Good for you that you are asking.
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Connie: even if she is attacking the side of the crate? (to get at my dogs?) they are afraid of her now and hide in the kitchen, or will come and sit near me if I am sitting on the floor. Tonight we are going to take her out to walk in the backyard, of course on a leash, and our dogs on leashes. Earlier when they walked together today, they did well. Do you think this is ok?
We really weren't introducing to the dogs, just had her crate set up in the living room to allow her to see our family in action, and to see the other dogs at a distance.
but I do agree with you, and want to take this slow.
I appreciate you help. I haven't squirted her with the water bottle any more.
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With a dog that is just out of a shelter, has had no training that you know of....I would place her in a less traveled path and I would be the only one to work with her and care for her to create a bond and then start to teach her the "rules".
Basically, do all the groundwork before anything else.
Introductions can come later. Also, by placing her crate somewhere else, your dogs can not enter the room without trepidation.
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I brought an almost 4 yr old untrained large energetic dog into my pack around feb/march. I taught him the crate was a safe place first, and a good place. I didn't rush things, he had 4 years of no training at all, I didn't want to set him up to fail. I kept him on leash 100% of the time out of the crate. I didn't need to overwhelm him with the other dogs running around his crate. We took it slow, and quietly. It may also help some if you cover part of the crate with a blanket. I waited over a month before trying to have them on a walk together. Then I took my calmest, least threatening dog. I wanted to work on a bond together first. Good luck with your new dog, I am so happy with mine.
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Good idea re: crate placement. Yes, I would not normally give her any training or corrections for awhile as we get to know each other, I just was concerned with her aggressive behavior toward the other dogs. I know it will all work out. They are all good dogs, it will just take time. I know she is scared because she doesn't know where she fits in, and where she is.
She started crying in her crate and Cody's head was turning from side to side and he now is laying in the other room watching her, less afraid.
She is skin and bones, her hip bones are sticking out. Tonight she ate a good dinner. I wonder how she could be at a shelter and a rescue organization and still be so thin. She apprears to be in good health. The lady who rescued her may have fed her dogs all together and she may have not gotten as much food as she should. I am going to ask her when I see her again. Of course I will be taking her to a vet to get her checked out.
I really appreciate all your input thank you all so much. I want to learn and am willing to listen, so any insights you can give me is greatly appreciated. sharon
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I would place her in a less traveled path and I would be the only one to work with her and care for her to create a bond and then start to teach her the "rules". .... Basically, do all the groundwork before anything else. ...
Yes. I assume that you have crates for all the dogs?
I know that even with my long-time dogs, who have had the run of the house for years (having earned it), the crates are all put back in service when a new dog comes in.
Drag lines come back into use, too.
And the new dog gets plenty of one-on-one time with me, with lots of short and upbeat marker sessions.
If it seemed appropriate, I'd have no problem keeping them separated for weeks except for walks, which you mentioned going well.
In fact, walking with the new dog on one side and another of the dogs on the other side is a great tool for me. They are marching along and focused on that (and me), and not on giving each other any evil eye looks.
I'm with Carol about doing lots of groundwork now.
And of course, your other dogs cannot be frightened, either, so it works both ways to keep them separated for now.
I don't allow aggression, period, so please don't get me wrong about the corrections. It's just that a brand-new dog, fresh from who-knows-what and with no bond at all with her pack leader, needs to feel secure and needs to learn the ropes.
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