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#208942 - 09/08/2008 09:31 PM |
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My friend is having major food issues with her dog..
raw gives her reflux--- (now it's giving her the runs)
She is allergic to rice, potatoes, corn, oatmeal, barley, and other grains.
Chicken gives her the runs as well.
what do you all recommend??
this has been going on for almost 2 years.
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Re: food question
[Re: Mallory Kwiatkowski ]
#208945 - 09/08/2008 10:04 PM |
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I think first I would ask what exactly she is feeding. Many people have many different ways to feed RAW. Usually runs can be controlled with diet tweeks.
How old is the dog?
How long has she been on RAW?
Some dogs need a higher bone content than others to maintain firm stools. If she can't eat chicken, what bone has she been getting? When she did get chicken, what parts & how was it introduced? Removing fat and skin can really help with the runs. Feeding skinless bone in breast can help.
She is allergic to rice, potatoes, corn, oatmeal, barley, and other grains.
No problems here, a dog shouldn't be eating any of these anyways.
Who diagnosed reflux? What are the reflux symptoms? Is she throwing up? Could this be bile throw up, which is very common in some dogs, and harmless. Mine will even sometimes throw up white foam, usually with grass. I don't worry about it. Dogs throw up. There are a million reasons why. If they're healthy and happy I don't sweat it.
With more information, I'm sure you can get lots of good advice.
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#208949 - 09/08/2008 10:26 PM |
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this is what she wrote me:
"She's been on Raw for about a year. She's on the Nature's Variety raw.
As for the reflux--- it's pretty much self diagnosed. (I have reflux as well) She's not throwing up, but she is "gagging" for lack of a better word- and it's occuring mainly at night--- when we would give her a tums---it would minimize the effects- but I'd rather avoid the reflux than to add a drug to cover the symptom.
On doing some research- it says that reflux in dogs can often be attributed to higher protein--which fits.
Hope that helps!
Oh...she's an agility dog. So, she's a working dog- not just a couch potato.
She's also 8 years old.Standard poodle"
i wasn't aware she was doing the pre-made raw.
i suggested she try prey model, and then see...
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#208952 - 09/08/2008 10:37 PM |
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Premade raws have so many ingredients dogs don't really need, and you have no control or ability to adjust diet to the dog. I only get heartburn/reflux from bread, go figure. The veggies and such in the premades could be causing it. Dogs have a really hard time with these. They aren't made to digest them. They are however made to digest protein.
I would try to get her to try prey model. Start with chicken breast, skin removed. It's easy to chew, low fat, easy to digest.
If she's never had real chicken pieces it's hard to know if it is actually the chicken she has issues with, or the other ingredients in the foods she's been given.
I'm sure other more knowledgeable people will chime in too.
Good luck!
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#208953 - 09/08/2008 10:50 PM |
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but I'd rather avoid the reflux than to add a drug to cover the symptom.
She also might like to make sure there isn't a bigger cause for the reflux than assuming food. Not that her assumption is too far fetched, but.....there's always that but. 
On doing some research- it says that reflux in dogs can often be attributed to higher protein--which fits.
...and LOTS of other things.
And you said, "now it's giving her the runs". After a whole year of feeding raw, I would also want to look for another cause for that. By "now", I'm assuming diarrhea hasn't been a problem until lately.
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#208954 - 09/08/2008 10:52 PM |
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apparently, she has been through a few years of the runs off and on, loose stool at the very best.
i will mention the reflux thing...
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#208955 - 09/08/2008 10:56 PM |
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She's been on Raw for about a year.
apparently, she has been through a few years of the runs off and on, loose stool at the very best.
Even more reason to check for an under lying problem. If it was a problem pre-raw, as well, then the dog may have some condition that needs long term treatment or special dietary considerations.
Something for her to think about at least.
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#208956 - 09/08/2008 11:02 PM |
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I agree with Mike. Do you know when she last saw a vet? Had a fecal run? A full bloodpanel? These would be first steps.
A quick search came up with this page of possible causes of diarhea:
http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/diarrhea.html
It could be non diet related.
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#208964 - 09/08/2008 11:43 PM |
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Mallory
Is she absolutely sure it's reflux and not that reverse sneeze/snort that some dogs do? Just the act of giving the dog a Tums could be enough distraction to stop a snorting fit.
Your friend is assuming an awful lot when she lists the dog's allergies while she is feeding a smorgash board food.
I would suspect parasites as a cause, as well as some of the non-meat ingredients in the pre-made raw food.
Feed the dog a goat, sheep, rabbit or cow (prey model) and see what happens.
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#208994 - 09/09/2008 10:35 AM |
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My friend is having major food issues with her dog..
raw gives her reflux--- (now it's giving her the runs)
She is allergic to rice, potatoes, corn, oatmeal, barley, and other grains.
Who says? 
I'm going to jump in here with a huge assumption: that she has NOT done a strict elimination diet (which is the only -- the absolute only -- way to ID a dog's food allergens -- if any). Potato is not a grain, and saying "raw gives the runs" is kinda like saying "food gives the runs." What food is doing it? She doesn't know, I suspect.
I am with everyone else here. I think that joining the board and detailing what vet tests have (and have not) been done, as well as how the allergy and reflux diagnoses were made, is in her best interest (and the dog's).
I agree whole-heartedly with Shody: "Start with chicken breast, skin removed. It's easy to chew, low fat, easy to digest."
I also think that this is a huge factor:
Your friend is assuming an awful lot when she lists the dog's allergies while she is feeding a smorgash board food. ... I would suspect parasites as a cause, as well as some of the non-meat ingredients in the pre-made raw food.
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