 Meat protein Vs. Wheat gluten protein
#210608 - 09/23/2008 12:33 PM |
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Here is a question; What is the differnce between meat as a protein source or wheat/corn gluten etc? And why one is better than the other?
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#210610 - 09/23/2008 12:50 PM |
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one veg and one is animal protein and dogs eat meat this is night and day difference.
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#210611 - 09/23/2008 12:57 PM |
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I assume that you mean for dogs, and that you mean "aside from gluten allergy problems"? (That's a tough thing to put aside, since gluten is a common allergy problem.)
Have you been reading the wisdom of Pet Food & Ingredient Technology, Inc.? 
OK, for dogs (because the answer is somewhat different for humans), there are many reasons for giving what they were designed to eat (meat).
Grain gluten is a concentrated source of protein that is often substituted for costlier animal protein. Its big plus factor is cheapness.
Plant proteins are far more difficult for dogs to digest and do not offer the complete amino acid profile of meats. Corn, for example, has only half of the essential amino acids, and has all the problems of poor digestibility and pancreatic stress.
I can't say it better than this does:
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/contrast.html
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#210614 - 09/23/2008 01:15 PM |
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Matthew,
I'm certainly no expert, but here are my $.02:
First, meat contains more and different amino acids than does plant matter. To humans, meat is a "complete protein" whereas wheat and corn are not.
Second, dogs evolved to eat a diet consisting of primarily meat. Unlike humans,they do not have the necessary enzymes to properly digest, and therefore utilize, whatever protein is present in plant matter. Thus, meat presents protein that is more biologically available to dogs.
Third, wheat and corn contain sugars that are, at best empty calories, and at worst unhealthy for dogs.
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#210615 - 09/23/2008 01:16 PM |
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Basically, what Connie says....I was typing while she posted....didn't mean to repeat 
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#210626 - 09/23/2008 03:09 PM |
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My favorite example is Taurine. Cats were suffering major problems before they discovered that plant protiens had no taurine, and they started supplimenting taurine in cat kibble.
I don't think nutrition science is yet aware of all the compounds or subcompounds in our food, nor what animals do or don't manufacture their own versions, so it's best to avoid problems like the missing taruine in cats by providing a diet similar to a wild diet.
The nutrients listed on the side of the bag the pet food companies know how to mix into the kibble, but it's the ones that we don't know about that may be missing or in the wrong proportions.
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#210627 - 09/23/2008 03:18 PM |
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My favorite example is Taurine. Cats were suffering major problems before they discovered that plant protiens had no taurine, and they started supplimenting taurine in cat kibble. .... I don't think nutrition science is yet aware of all the compounds or subcompounds in our food, nor what animals do or don't manufacture their own versions, so it's best to avoid problems like the missing taruine in cats by providing a diet similar to a wild diet. ... The nutrients listed on the side of the bag the pet food companies know how to mix into the kibble, but it's the ones that we don't know about that may be missing or in the wrong proportions.
This is a profound response to any question about why we give a diet that the animal has evolved eating. We are continuously finding out what we didn't know yesterday. We do not know enough to rely on manmade ingredients, IMO.
A wild canid can follow his instincts to remedy shortages in his diet, but our dogs cannot. If we don't give them a varied diet based on what they have evolved to eat, then we are relying on an extremely imperfect and rapidly-changing science -- which is going to show us, all the time, what we didn't know before -- and it's always going to show us too late for the dogs whose care we are responsible for today.
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#210646 - 09/23/2008 05:35 PM |
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Grain gluten is a concentrated source of protein that is often substituted for costlier animal protein. Its big plus factor is cheapness.
It certainly makes more since to me to feed an animal protein rather than plant. I was recently having a conversation with a dog food rep and his claim as to why they use grain gluten is because it is actually higher in quality (also more expensive) than meat protein. I can't understand how a grain, no matter what the quality, can take the place of meat.
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#210647 - 09/23/2008 05:44 PM |
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I was recently having a conversation with a dog food rep and his claim as to why they use grain gluten is because it is actually higher in quality (also more expensive) than meat protein.
Ah. I was not far off.
... Have you been reading the wisdom of Pet Food & Ingredient Technology, Inc.?
The only source that will preach the wisdom of grain gluten for dogs .....
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#210650 - 09/23/2008 05:51 PM |
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Their food actually does have all the amino acids and histidine etc,etc. But it just does not make sense to feed grains, and then add all these other supplements, when you could just use meat to begin with.
Meat by-products are a great source of protein for a meat eating animal.
Thanks, that's an interesting article. But why would they say the above? Is not by-product meal a stew of parts from animals which have died in a variety of questionable circumstances?
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