Siaty Mantak wrote 12/04/2008 08:05 AM Herring Oil #218498 - 12/04/2008 08:05 AM
Siaty Mantak Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2008 Posts: 124 Loc: Offline	I have always supplemented my dog's food with fish oil, specifically, Arctic Vigor Salmon Oil, but I saw a nicely priced gallon of herring oil at the pet store the other day and was wondering if herring oil is equally adequate. If so, I would just rotate the two oils, but would like to get some of the expert opinions of this board. Thanks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/04/2008 10:32 AM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Siaty Mantak ] #218513 - 12/04/2008 10:32 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: siaty mantak I have always supplemented my dog's food with fish oil, specifically, Arctic Vigor Salmon Oil, but I saw a nicely priced gallon of herring oil at the pet store the other day and was wondering if herring oil is equally adequate. If so, I would just rotate the two oils, but would like to get some of the expert opinions of this board. Thanks Herring is an OK source in general (prefer anchovies and sardines in the small fish and wild salmon for large). My one question is about handling, because you saw it in a pet-supply store. Besides the Grizzly brand, which is good quality, I have sure seen and read about some poorly-handled oils for the pet market. ("Poorly-handled" in fish oil is the same as saying "Do not buy," IMO, because it's so vulnerable to oxidation, which can turn it from a health benefit to a health hazard.) Do you have a link to the brand's site?
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Siaty Mantak wrote 12/04/2008 10:46 AM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #218515 - 12/04/2008 10:46 AM
Siaty Mantak Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2008 Posts: 124 Loc: Offline	Hi Connie, Thanks for the reply and question. I just called the store and they told me the herring oil is by Noble. I cannot seem to find a website for the company via Google, but do see it listed at: http://www.thecleverk9.ca/noblesupplements.html
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/04/2008 10:53 AM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Siaty Mantak ] #218517 - 12/04/2008 10:53 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	That doesn't tell us anything much. http://noblesupplements.com/ doesn't include the fish oil.
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Siaty Mantak wrote 12/04/2008 05:18 PM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #218572 - 12/04/2008 05:18 PM
Siaty Mantak Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2008 Posts: 124 Loc: Offline	I do not believe Noble Supplements is the same company. I went to the store and took another look and copied some information down. The company is Four Marketing International, Inc. located in Walkerton, Ontario (so it is local for me). Their email is noblfood@wightman.ca The Noble Herring Oil Omega-3 ingredients are: Herring Oil, EPA (Encosapentaenoic Acid), DHA (Docosahexaenoic Acid), Natural Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopherol), Vitamin A (200 IU per gm), and Vitamin D-3 (25 IU per gram). Recommended feeding instructions is 1 tsp per 30 lbs. of weight. That is all the information on the label. The pet store is very good - heavily stocked with raw diets and the few bags of kibble they have are of quality (e.g., Orijin, Solid Gold, Fromm's). Not sure if this is better information.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/04/2008 05:24 PM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Siaty Mantak ] #218574 - 12/04/2008 05:24 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	The ingredients (fish oil and E are the usual) really are not the top issue for me, except for the DHA and EPA content. Neither is the store. It's the source of the ingredients and the processing of the oil. I'll see what I can find out. (It's not a brand I have heard of, and I can't find any web info.)
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Siaty Mantak wrote 12/05/2008 08:14 AM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #218616 - 12/05/2008 08:14 AM
Siaty Mantak Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2008 Posts: 124 Loc: Offline	Hi Connie, Thanks for your response. The container had an 800 phone number as well as the email address (listed in my first response). I can write or call them, but do not know what to ask. Can you provide me with some direction. That is, what is preferred processing methodology(s)? What other questions or elements in the processing should I look for? Thanks again, S
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Joyce Salazar wrote 12/05/2008 10:28 AM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Siaty Mantak ] #218630 - 12/05/2008 10:28 AM
Joyce Salazar Webboard User Reg: 02-28-2008 Posts: 2075 Loc: Dallas, Texas Offline	Hi Siaty, I am not Connie and of course she knows best here. But I do believe that you want to look for a cold processing. Any heat of any kind can destroy the benefits of these fragile oils. Incidentally, many cooking oils in the grocery store are high heat processed and even put through chemicals to make lighter in color. The best oils for human and animal consumption are cold processed and first press is usually the best. Now, Ms. Connie will weigh in and give us a yet a better list of what else I may have forgotten. Just my two cents! Joyce Salazar
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/05/2008 11:06 AM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Joyce Salazar ] #218634 - 12/05/2008 11:06 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yep! Also, I asked them in my email (no answer yet) whether their product was outside-tested for heavy metals. I asked a few of the questions that most fish-oil-quality guides would ask (see link below for minimal question list). There are lists of the best-quality fish oils, but not being on the list is not necessarily a "do not buy" alert. Here are some questions (the minimum) that I want the answers to, though: WHAT KIND of fish were used? (list ALL, not some) WHERE did they come from? (farmed or wild, which ocean, which hemisphere?) HOW was the oil rendered? (cold-pressed, centrifuged, or solvent extraction?) What PURITY CERTIFICATION is offered? (mercury, lead, dioxins, furans, PCBs, oxidation, etc.) What is the FRESHNESS of the fish oil? (is it oxidation (peroxide) tested?) http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/fish-oil-summary.htm
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Siaty Mantak wrote 12/05/2008 12:34 PM Re: Herring Oil [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #218645 - 12/05/2008 12:34 PM
Siaty Mantak Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2008 Posts: 124 Loc: Offline	Thanks Joyce for your insights. Wow, Connie, that is great information! Thanks for emailing them! If you do not hear back from them, I may call them next week.
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