 Question about place/stay commands
#219162 - 12/09/2008 08:07 AM |
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Hey all - long time 'lurker', first time posting. 
I've been doing my pre-adoption research for a week or so now, and I'm curious about the 'place' command training.
I've come to understand it's mostly like a 'go to your room' type command... and I correct on that?
I think the thing that is confusing me is that lack of association that people seem to make with a 'crate' or 'den' type location. Would you use the 'place' command at the park, for example?
Until this week, I'd never heard the 'go to your room' type command be referred to as the 'place' command; are the of the same thinking?
Thanks in advance for your help and I look forward to further scouring the 'boards and articles here; what a grand resource it is! 
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Chris 'no signature yet' Wilcox :p
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-chris
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#219167 - 12/09/2008 08:53 AM |
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Chris,
As I understand it, the PLACE command is a command used to send the dog to a specific target, usually for an extended period of time. The target must be recognizable to the dog, even though there can be more than one of them. The example Ed uses in his BO video is a faux lambskin rug. He has several throughout his house and each dog knows that when the PLACE command is given they are to go to one of these rugs and down until told to leave. In a sense it is like "go to your room" but the place command is not negative in any way, rather, the dog views it as a time to relax ("down time" - pardon the pun). So it gives the dog an opportunity to relax and you the convenience of knowing where he is without having him under foot. As a tip, if you have more than one place for the dog to go, you should probably be in view of the particular place you had in mind before sending him.
Hope this helps.
-Al
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#219173 - 12/09/2008 09:35 AM |
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Wow; thanks for the speedy response!
I'm pretty sure I get it now; I can see that the 'go to your room' concept isn't exactly the best comparison, then, as it's not a negative command.
What's an example of when you give the command? Is it standard for a knock on the door... or moreso any general time you need control? I'm imagining a dog not wanting to be out of sight of the door when it's opened...?
Thanks again for your time!
-chris
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#219175 - 12/09/2008 10:02 AM |
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#219179 - 12/09/2008 10:35 AM |
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I use "Go Home" to send my dog to his crate.
I use "Place" to send him to the sheepskin. I use it when he's bothering me, being wild, begging at the dinner table, or anytime I want him to get out of the way of something I'm doing.
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#219181 - 12/09/2008 10:41 AM |
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I'm curious now Kurt; why not just send him to his crate when you want him to get out of the way?
I suppose the 'sheepskin' allows the dog to have a place other than the crate, theoretically in a higher traffic area, to be included in the 'pack'?
Re: Safety - I understand completely and hope to have a solid command to get my pup back to a safe place, if/when the need arises. My main confusion was the difference between a 'crate' and 'place' command.
-chris
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#219184 - 12/09/2008 11:03 AM |
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I do essentially the same as Kurt.
One of the benefits I have found is that when I am away from home, I can “place” the dog when I need to. Helpful at the park, friends’ homes, and at hotels.
The only difference is that when I say “Go to your room” he goes to his crate. When I say “go to your place” he goes to the closest rug or bed (there could be one in each room) and not necessarily to his crate in the living room.
Jessica
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#219186 - 12/09/2008 11:04 AM |
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The only real difference between "crate" and "place" is where the dog goes.
The concept is still the same, and you train it the same way.
"Place" is nice, for example, when you want to clean out the crate, or when you want the dog out with you, but not *right* on top of you.
My dog has "kennel" as her crate command, and "bed" as her place command. We have one bed in our livingroom and one in our bedroom. It's nice to be able to send her to specific spots without having to send her to her crate.
For example, when a strange person comes into the house, I don't WANT my dog in the crate. I want her out and visable, but not in the way. "Bed" is nice for that.
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#219191 - 12/09/2008 11:16 AM |
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Excellent examples; thank you!
I'm a little curious now, though, how you can train a dog 'place' to the nearest rug, bed, or whatever if the location isn't always the same?
Will a trained dog understand the differing object that is their 'place' from room to room? I suppose... over time?
Forgive my questions... I'm excited to learn all I can!
-chris
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#219194 - 12/09/2008 11:22 AM |
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With marker training, all things are possible. I never really set out to train place commands, but I mark and reward all desirable behavior with my pup, so "place" commands got trained, along with a whole other host of pleasant behaviors.
Each "place" was trained seperately.
Crate came first, she learned it in the first three days we had her. Her livingroom "bed" came next. The bedroom "bed" was last, and by that time she already had the basic concept of a "place" down, so it only took two tries to help her understand that where to go in the bedroom.
The really cool things about markers is, you aren't just teaching your dog commands. The dog is learning to reason and think. They learn faster, because they know how to learn, and they enjoy the game of learning.
If I tell Danke "bed" in a room with no pre-assigned spot, she'll look for anything resembling a bed and lay down on it.
If I lay a towel on the ground, she'll immediately treat it like a "bed". I fully intend to (ab)use that for teaching the send out.
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