Does anyone know what the statistic were - height and weight - of some of the old German shepherd champions. Ones like Bodo and Bernd vom Lieburg? Or the ones from the Martin lines? Or Long Worth?
From the pictures, they appear to be substandually larger. Thanks.
http://www.aniwa.com/en/chien/Grand_Public/document/101809/103053/auto=0/index.htm Follow this link to "Evolution of the German Shepherd in 30 generations" Although it gives no specifics as to height and weight you can surmise an approximate for these from the pictures. You will note that the dogs until the late 20’s looked much like the Malinois and it should considering they came from the same landrace stock. The Malinois has for the most part remained true to its historic genotype and phenotype. To the detriment of the breed, the GSD has been changed to satisfy its show community and the working community to its detriment has accommodated that change by changing the schutzhund trial to accommodate those dogs that as far as I am concerned are now a sub-set of the true GSD both in what they can do and how long they can do it.
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What is the purpose of the sloping hind end in so many show type GSD?
I was watching a show on animal planet about dogs and the GSD was on there. It said the sloping hind end in the american lines served to make the dog's trot fluid-like and attractive in the show ring.
What is the purpose of the sloping hind end in so many show type GSD?
I was watching a show on animal planet about dogs and the GSD was on there. It said the sloping hind end in the american lines served to make the dog's trot fluid-like and attractive in the show ring.
What a purpose filled attribute What a great reason to breed for that, huh?
I am not a fan of the American showline German shepherds for several reasons, the odd looking back is one of them. My understanding is the same as others - showline breeders and judges like the way a German shepherd moves because of its "low rider" rear end. My interest in the German shepherd lines of the 60s is because they appear to look much bigger than the German shepherd showlines of today. I am very curious what the olderlines weighed and how tall the dogs were. That's all.
I am not judging the merits of manipulated breedings for beauty and show. And I am well aware of what Mr. Max von Stephen thoughts were about what a German shepherd should look like. I think the main beauty of the German shepherd breed is its versitility - something we are slowly losing when we forget the size and weight of the old bloodlines.
Stack a "low rider" next to Bodo or Bernd vom Leirburg or the Martin line, or the past champions from Long Worth. I have a preference for the older lines.
The historic GSD were in fact smaller than the show GSD today. As I said in my post they came from the same landrace stock and resembled the Malinois of today. The roached back does nothing positive for the movement of any dog, in fact just the opposite. Just look at the wolf that trots many miles every day. Is its back roach shaped? That shaped back is just one phenotypic example that occurs when function is all but forgotten in a working breed. In the eyes of the show world form does not follow function it follows a committee. The examples of this phenomena are too numerous to mention here.
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Right, that's important to note... show people did not just like the look of the trot... they actually tried to justify it as "more functional" because "theoretically" it makes it more energy efficient to trot.
You know just like, how, "theoretically" communism could work.
The astonishing thing is you don’t need a theory of what phenotype is best for movement when the working one is available. The vastness of the stupidity in some circles never ceases to amaze me.
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