Phil Brophy wrote 02/02/2009 03:32 PM Canidae dog food formula changed causing itching #226169 - 02/02/2009 03:32 PM
Phil Brophy Webboard User Reg: 09-15-2007 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	I have two GSDs from europe. Both were on a strict canidae diet when I got them..Around the summer of last year I noticed the male was itching himself continously. His ears, rear hips etc... I thought it might be fleas or dry skin. After a trip to the vet and groomers without no result I happen to be talking with a store clerk at the pet supply store who mentioned that Canidae had changed their original formula and several people had been complianing about itching with their dogs.. I have since changed dog foods to Chicken Soup Natural food. No noticiable differences as of today but someone did mention using Salmon oil as an additive. Interested in feedback on the Salmon oil.
Top
Connie Sutherland wrote 02/02/2009 03:48 PM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Phil Brophy ] #226170 - 02/02/2009 03:48 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Phil Brophy .... someone did mention using Salmon oil as an additive. Interested in feedback on the Salmon oil. http://leerburg.com/search/dosearch.php?terms=fish+oil&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0 IMO, there is virtually no modern dog's diet that is not in need of long-chain Omega 3 supplementation (from marine products, such as salmon oil) plus Vitamin E, which is used in the body's processing of the PUFAs.
Top
Lori Hall wrote 02/02/2009 03:53 PM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itching [Re: Phil Brophy ] #226171 - 02/02/2009 03:53 PM
Lori Hall Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2007 Posts: 1039 Loc: So. California coast Offline	Lots and lots of us on this forum use salmon oil. The most popular brand is Grizzly - it is sold on this website and lots of others. It's in a pump bottle and says how much to give according to weight. Salmon oil has made our golden's skin (which by the way, he has environmental allergies, so itches also) look a lot better. He used to have flaky, dry skin and no longer does. It is also a natural anti-inflammatory which is good for itching. His coat is beautiful and shiny - our vet is amazed! It works a lot better than the omega 3/6 capsules that the vet prescribes. This site recommends giving vitamin E with the salmon oil - they work together. I just toss the vitamin E capsule in with his food and he just eats it. He's 80lbs and get the 400 IU capsule.
Top
Connie Sutherland wrote 02/02/2009 03:54 PM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Phil Brophy ] #226172 - 02/02/2009 03:54 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Phil Brophy .... I noticed the male was itching himself continously. His ears, rear hips etc... I thought it might be fleas or dry skin. After a trip to the vet and groomers without no result I happen to be talking with a store clerk at the pet supply store who mentioned that Canidae had changed their original formula and several people had been complianing about itching with their dogs.. I have since changed dog foods to Chicken Soup Natural food. No noticiable differences as of today but someone did mention using Salmon oil as an additive. Interested in feedback on the Salmon oil. 1. What did the vet say? 2. How do his ears look (inside)? Any inflammation? 3. How bad is the itching? Is it disturbing his sleep? 4. Do you see any redness, bumps, rash, waxiness/greasiness, or any kind of pruritis? 5. Where on the ears? The edges of the flaps? Do you see anything along the edges? 6. Where on the hips? Base of tail or more like the flanks? Where else? 7. Any odor anywhere?
Top
Connie Sutherland wrote 02/02/2009 03:57 PM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Lori Hall ] #226174 - 02/02/2009 03:57 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Lori Hall It works a lot better than the omega 3/6 capsules that the vet prescribes. Yes. Omega 6/3 (or 6/3/9) does not address the basic dietary imbalance (the shortage of 3s). It adds 6s to a diet that's heavy in 6s and short in 3s.
Top
SteveZorn wrote 02/02/2009 04:50 PM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #226177 - 02/02/2009 04:50 PM
SteveZorn Webboard User Reg: 10-31-2006 Posts: 79 Loc: Chicago, Il. USA Offline	Phil, Another thing that should be pointed out is that the Canidae formula sold in Europe is the Chicken & Rice formula sold here. http://www.canidae.com/dogs/chicken-and-rice/dry.html The Chicken and Rice formula does not have some of the ingredients that the other Canidae formulas have, most notably pro-biotics and pre-biotics. Pet food manufacturers are not allowed to send products overseas with living micro-organisms in them. The other thing that you need to look in to is the fact that your dogs may be allergic to, or don't handle well, multiple meat protein sources (or one of the meat protein sources) like they use in Canidae All Life Stages, the most common Canidae product sold here. http://www.canidae.com/dogs/all_life_stages/dry.html I hope this helps! Correction: I looked at the ingredients on the Chicken and Rice sold here and they are including pro-biotics and pre-biotics. They did not before which I learned from a company representative. Edited by SteveZorn (02/02/2009 04:57 PM) Edit reason: facts
Top
Melissa Thom wrote 02/02/2009 06:04 PM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: SteveZorn ] #226190 - 02/02/2009 06:04 PM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	Also keep in mind that the time frame you're reporting a change in your dog's behavior is around the time Canidae changed their formula after the sale to Diamond foods. You're not the only one reporting issues with the new mix. A quick google search will show you quite a few people with complaints and problems with the new mix. How long has your dog been changed over to the new food? If we're talking just a few days it's not enough time as of yet to really know if the canidae or an ingredient in the canidae was the issue.
Top
Angela Burrell wrote 02/03/2009 09:37 AM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Melissa Thom ] #226268 - 02/03/2009 09:37 AM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	I had problems with the new Canidae formula too: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=134&Number=211715 We dont have Chicken Soup dog food here, but I've looked at the website and although it has quality protein, it has 5 grains in it (barley, white rice, brown rice, oats, and millet). Grains can cause allergies in dogs. Try switching his food to something grain-free and see if that helps. Grain free foods include Instinct, Innova Evo, Orijen. And Melissa's right, it may take some time for the Canidae to get out of his system.
Top
Juliana McCabe wrote 02/03/2009 10:24 AM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Angela Burrell ] #226280 - 02/03/2009 10:24 AM
Juliana McCabe Webboard User Reg: 11-21-2008 Posts: 279 Loc: Akron, Ohio Offline	I was thinking of adding the salmon oil from the website to my puppies diet but since I am in school money is tight. About how long does the grizzly salmon oil typically last? My GSD is 8 months and about 50 lbs. Thanks!
Top
Connie Sutherland wrote 02/03/2009 10:33 AM Re: Canidae dog food formula changed causing itchi [Re: Juliana McCabe ] #226282 - 02/03/2009 10:33 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Juliana McCabe I was thinking of adding the salmon oil from the website to my puppies diet but since I am in school money is tight. About how long does the grizzly salmon oil typically last? My GSD is 8 months and about 50 lbs. Thanks! A 50-pound dog would get about 5 grams per day. 16 ounces, for example, is about 456 grams, or about 91 days' worth at 5 grams a day. 32 ounces is double that, or about 6 months' worth for a 5-gram-a-day dog. Keep it cool and dark. Don't forget the Vitamin E, which is very reasonable. Vitamin E: http://leerburg.com/53.htm 100 days' worth to a 50-pound dog Salmon Oil: http://leerburg.com/47.htm
Top

Previous Topic

Index

Next Topic

Page 1 of 2 12>>

When purchasing any product from Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. it is understood that any and all products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. are sold in Dunn County Wisconsin, USA. Any and all legal action taken against Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. concerning the purchase or use of these products must take place in Dunn County, Wisconsin. If customers do not agree with this policy they should not purchase Leerburg Ent. Inc. products.

Dog Training is never without risk of injury. Do not use any of the products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. without consulting a local professional. The training methods shown in the Leerburg Ent. Inc. DVD’s are meant to be used with a local instructor or trainer. Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. cannot be held responsible for accidents or injuries to humans and/or animals.

Copyright 2010 Leerburg® Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved. All photos and content on leerburg.com are part of a registered copyright owned by Leerburg Enterprise, Inc. By accessing any information within Leerburg.com, you agree to abide by the Leerburg.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.