Peter Marek wrote 04/27/2009 02:48 PM Tracking with food #237646 - 04/27/2009 02:48 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Hi folks, Kaiser has recently started tracking training. I started him with hot dogs - MISTAKE - he loved them but his gut hated them - watery poop for the next day. So, I wised up and cooked some chicken breast and cut it in small pieces - used that - worked great. Now the questions. 1. What else have you used for a dog on a raw diet as bait? 2. How soon before you stopped baiting each step? 3. Has anyone tried the homemade bait here http://leerburg.com/bait.htm and how is it for a dog being fed only a raw diet? ** If this is in the wrong area of the forum, my apologies ** No, I am not an alien!
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Aaron Myracle wrote 04/27/2009 02:52 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Peter Marek ] #237647 - 04/27/2009 02:52 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	How big were these hotdog pieces? They should be VERY small, as in, the size of a Simon & Hueys treat. Never used the recipe you linked to, nor would I because of the garlic powder. I currently am using very small peices of cut up Natural Balance and Redbarn rolls, with great success. I have also used Simon & Hueys and Zukes treats in the past. It was probably 5 months before I stopped baiting each step. I know, back pain!
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Peter Marek wrote 04/27/2009 02:58 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #237648 - 04/27/2009 02:58 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	This pieces where the size of a nickel. You know - slices. For the tracking he ate 2 dogs. I wasn't too fond of the garlic or the cornmeal in it - but - then again - I don't know everything and they MAY have been ok. I asked about how soon before you stop baiting each track because of what happened this weekend. He's been training on tracking now for about 3 days. The first two days - baited each step. The third day, I baited each step for the first two tracks (small tracks only about 10 - 20 feet). The third set I baited every other and he easily followed each step to the next "bait" until he got to the jackpot at the end. Even though he took to it, in a manner that appeared to be easy for him - was it too soon? Should I stick with the baiting of every step for a certain amount of time or play it by ear (vision) with him to see at what point he's beginning to fail? No, I am not an alien!
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Aaron Myracle wrote 04/27/2009 03:35 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Peter Marek ] #237655 - 04/27/2009 03:35 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Yeah, cut the nickle into four pieces. That's the problem. Too soon to skip steps, because the food is what encourages him to keep his head DOWN right now. If you start skipping, he'll start lifting and air scenting.
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Peter Marek wrote 04/27/2009 03:38 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #237658 - 04/27/2009 03:38 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Ok I'll keep baiting each step. How long to keep at this in this fashion? How do I know when to change it up a bit? No, I am not an alien!
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Aaron Myracle wrote 04/27/2009 03:44 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Peter Marek ] #237660 - 04/27/2009 03:44 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	After a few months of very consistant tracks, good speed, deep nose, skip just a few steps here and there, and watch for head lifting, speed changes, tail drop, etc. Also, begin doing 90 degree entries to the track, before you remove food from each footstep. In other words, walk to the start point at a 90 degree angle from the direction of the track, so that you know the dog isn't just charging ahead in a straight line, and fooling you into thinking its really tracking.
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Peter Marek wrote 04/27/2009 03:48 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #237662 - 04/27/2009 03:48 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	That never occurred to me but should have - sneaky little devils they are ! (with ears like mine has I should have guessed!) How often should I do tracking? I normally set up 3 tracks per session. Once per day? Every other day? No, I am not an alien!
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Aaron Myracle wrote 04/27/2009 03:50 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Peter Marek ] #237665 - 04/27/2009 03:50 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Depends on a lot of factors. For the first month or two, daily tracks, two or three per session, is optimum. After that first couple of months, I'd move to one or two longer tracks, as often as the dog's enthusiasm indicates. No more than daily (IMO), no less than twice a week. Once the dog has the stamina to do a nice 800 meter track, you can begin staggering the food dramatically, working on curves and soft corners, etc.
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Peter Marek wrote 04/27/2009 03:54 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #237667 - 04/27/2009 03:54 PM
Peter Marek Webboard User Reg: 03-05-2009 Posts: 274 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	This is some great advice - thanks! No, I am not an alien!
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Scott Garrett wrote 04/27/2009 03:58 PM Re: Tracking with food [Re: Peter Marek ] #237668 - 04/27/2009 03:58 PM
Scott Garrett Webboard User Reg: 03-01-2009 Posts: 645 Loc: NorCal Offline	My guys go through a half a hot dog each during our training...though we're just doing OB. I cut the medallions into three pieces and then I cut those three in half, so the pieces are really small. http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7701/neilpatrickharris.jpg
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