Michelle LCarter wrote 05/16/2009 08:14 PM Breaking through invisible fence #240009 - 05/16/2009 08:14 PM
Michelle LCarter Webboard User Reg: 05-16-2009 Posts: 1 Loc: Offline	If a dog has obeyed the invisible fence, but now Prey drive is over riding the consequence of the e fence... what do you do to prevent the dog from breaching the line? (he regularly chases small prey within his yard ,but is now extending to chasing loud vehicles/other dogs and breaking through the invisible fence) He is somewhat fear aggressive with a high prey drive. retraining to boundaries with long line and set up distractions? will this be enough? thoughts? thanks! will this be reliable?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/16/2009 08:35 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Michelle LCarter ] #240011 - 05/16/2009 08:35 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Do you get Whole Dog Journal? This month's feature article is about fences. People in my club agree with WDJ (and so do I): there are a lot of negatives to invisible fences. Others may not agree, but I don't think that fence is ever going to work on this dog again. JMO. For me, this dog would be on a leash until I could get a real fence installed. I will be interested in the opinions of others. IMO, invisible fences present a lot of other dangers (besides escape) to dogs.
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Dennis Jones wrote 05/16/2009 08:49 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #240013 - 05/16/2009 08:49 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	chain link or wood and wire fencing
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Bob Scott wrote 05/16/2009 10:35 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Dennis Jones ] #240025 - 05/16/2009 10:35 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Even if your dog responds perfectly to the fence it will do nothing to keep roaming dogs out of your yard. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Anne Jones wrote 05/17/2009 03:20 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Bob Scott ] #240068 - 05/17/2009 03:20 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	Also, once the dog has run thru the inv. fence line for whatever reason....chasing something in prey drive or any other reason....there is NO incentive for it to return to the yard & have to whithstand another ZAP to get thru the fenceline in order to do so! So now you have your dog at-large! Invbisible fences work for many dogs but not as many as the salesmen try to tell you they do. Most dogs, given the right incentive, will run thru the line & then not return. Not only that, as Connie stated, most will do it again knowing that they got out before. And cannot be trusted to have the 'line' contain them anylonger. Solid fencing is always the best answer. If you can't afford enclosing the entire back yard, maybe a smaller area or kennel with allow the dog to be out without having to worry about containing him. MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Jennifer Lee wrote 05/17/2009 03:27 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Anne Jones ] #240069 - 05/17/2009 03:27 PM
Jennifer Lee Webboard User Reg: 12-16-2007 Posts: 2851 Loc: oklahoma Offline	I am using a combination of chain link fencing that is buried into a concrete trough and an invisible fence to keep my escape artist in the yard. And even with all that precaution he gets no more than 5 or 10 minutes at a time without being checked on. I would at the least put your boy in a long line when you are outside with him until you can get some sort of solid fencing put in.
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Lois Miller wrote 05/17/2009 03:59 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Anne Jones ] #240075 - 05/17/2009 03:59 PM
Lois Miller Webboard User Reg: 09-06-2008 Posts: 54 Loc: Northeastern Ohio Offline	Quote: Anne Jones Also, once the dog has run thru the inv. fence line for whatever reason....chasing something in prey drive or any other reason....there is NO incentive for it to return to the yard & have to whithstand another ZAP to get thru the fenceline in order to do so! So now you have your dog at-large! Invbisible fences work for many dogs but not as many as the salesmen try to tell you they do. Most dogs, given the right incentive, will run thru the line & then not return. Not only that, as Connie stated, most will do it again knowing that they got out before. And cannot be trusted to have the 'line' contain them anylonger. Solid fencing is always the best answer. If you can't afford enclosing the entire back yard, maybe a smaller area or kennel with allow the dog to be out without having to worry about containing him. I have a wireless invisible fencing system and unlike the 'in the ground' models, the shock continues until the dog returns to his/her boundary. I have had my dogs on this system for the past three years with no escapes. I did have one run thru to chase a jogger and their dog, but he quickly returned to his boundary to get relief from the shock. Even with the system though, I never leave the dogs out unattended. Its not that I dont trust the system but rather as someone else mentioned, the fence does not keep other dogs from entering the yard.
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Anne Jones wrote 05/17/2009 04:49 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Lois Miller ] #240080 - 05/17/2009 04:49 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	I guess that it would depend on the type of electric fenceline & the individual dog. I especially like regular fencing to keep other animals out. Also, my dogs not being able to see dogs & people passing by on the street, keeps barking & fence running down to a minimum. I have a 6' stockade fence encloseing the sides & back yard. Obviously, this would be VERY costly & out of the question if you had to enclose many acres of land. Although, I wish that I had that problem...the many acres of land, I mean. What about an electricity failure with an electric fence. Is it hooked up to a genaerator or solar system in that event? Just curious. I know that they have solar systems for horse fencing, although they would not need the same voltage for a deterrent for the horses. I know my horse hates it & respects it. But most likely wouldn't in a real fright/flight situation. MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Lois Miller wrote 05/17/2009 06:05 PM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Anne Jones ] #240082 - 05/17/2009 06:05 PM
Lois Miller Webboard User Reg: 09-06-2008 Posts: 54 Loc: Northeastern Ohio Offline	My system does not have a solar or battery backup. If the electricity goes out the fence doesnt work. The dogs are however conditioned and trained to the fence and although I know it isnt working, they dont. That situation does however require extra precautions ( on lead in the yard and etc) since as I said the system doesnt work during an outage. It has worked well for me so far. I have had no problems with it. After the initial run thru my male GSD did, he and my female lay in the yard and watch the many joggers, walkers, bikers and dogs pass by without incident.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 05/18/2009 10:24 AM Re: Breaking through invisible fence [Re: Lois Miller ] #240139 - 05/18/2009 10:24 AM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Quote: Lois Miller I have a wireless invisible fencing system and unlike the 'in the ground' models, the shock continues until the dog returns to his/her boundary. How does the dog know that returning will stop the shock? Is this part of the conditioning process? (I've never heard of that feature)
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