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#21211 - 07/22/2002 10:31 PM |
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I wanted to get everyone's opinion on something. When do you know that an obedience command has sank in? By that I mean how many times would you expect a dog to perform an action before you would feel that the dog knew the command and therefore needed a correction for disobedience? Does anyone have a "rule of thumb" they use?
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#21212 - 07/22/2002 10:43 PM |
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I really don't have a set in stone rule of thumb or anything like that. It's more of a feel thing, me reading the dog. Also, if you start your dog early, there is no harm in an extended "learning phase" of training. Unless you are trying to break an obedience champion age record or something, why rush it? People screw up their dogs when they blow through the learning phase too fast. I know that many trainers have guidelines...such as the dog must demonstrate he knows the command x amount of times in a row and so on. For me...it's more of a feel thing, a hunch.
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Ewa wrote 07/24/2002 12:10 AM
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#21213 - 07/24/2002 12:10 AM |
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If you ask for everyone's opinion... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I know that a dog does not know the command when it happens that he tries to do something else just to please you, like he is sitting for a while does not get any feedback and goes into down by himself.
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#21214 - 07/24/2002 12:46 AM |
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For me, it's when the dog performs the command in different enviroments under distraction. Just because the dog knows the command on the field doesn't mean he knows it in the house or at the grocery store.
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#21215 - 08/28/2002 04:29 PM |
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How much can you expect from a pup??
I am wondering the same thing -
My lab pup is 5 months old -
She knows the basics - sit/stay, down/stay, come and heel - she does not always respond quickly to a command - sometimes she will sit as soon as told - sometimes it takes repeating commmand one or two times -
Should I correct her every time she doesn't respond immediately?
She is a bit headstrong and I use a prong collar on her - She is 5 months old about 48 pounds.
I know she is a puppy and I don't want her to get the wrong idea by letting her be slack in obeying - but then again I don't want her to resent training -
On the whole she does pretty good.
I am also wondering how long I should expect her to hold a command/stay at this age ??
When in the sit or down position I have had her hold it for 60 seconds, sometimes I try for 2 minutes - Not really sure how long to expect a pup to stay??
I would appreciate advise - for I am new at dog training and don't want to confuse my pup, or overwhelm her.
Thanks Sharon
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#21216 - 08/28/2002 05:58 PM |
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I will not repeat a command without givng them help especially with a puppy, I will usually say sit and if he/she does not sit, I will position him either with holding a treat high over bring it behind its head and placing my hand on its rump. Then I will say, "Sit Sandy" while she in position. As she holds the position, I say "good sit, Sandy". Praising her in a high picth voice.
I step away give the come command then another sit, usually the sit is immeadiately and the treat and praising comes right after her bottom hits the floor. Let him/her know that what I want.
Timing is everything to a dog. This trainer showed me a demo of how important timing is in training, I swear when his timing was off I couldn't tell which item on the desk he wanted me to point at. When it was on, I could go almost right to it. Have anybody else seen or done this OB timing drill? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#21217 - 08/28/2002 07:11 PM |
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Sharon, I have quite a few questions after reading your post.
Are you using any type of reward or motivator? Food, toy, fetch?
How are you sure that the dog is being "head strong" and truly knows what it is that you are asking at this point?
5 months old and 48 lbs is VERY BAD. Your dog should not weigh that much. You will destroy her hips and joints.
I don't like to start physical corrections on a pup this age. Guiding and removing rewards are ok, but each dog is an individual. Sessions with pups should be short and positive. You will bore the dog by doing too much too soon. We humans have a hard time dealing with that "one more time" syndrome... when you want to do it one more time, you need to stop...(even I am guilty of this). When you see your dog starting to lose interest you have already done too much.
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#21218 - 08/29/2002 09:46 AM |
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Note from Sharon M post, she states
I am also wondering how long I should expect her to hold a command/stay at this age ??
When in the sit or down position I have had her hold it for 60 seconds, sometimes I try for 2 minutes - Not really sure how long to expect a pup to stay??
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I think 1-2 minute for a puppy is fine you can build on that later. You seem to be doing a great job with your puppy. Do you use any food treat? Or is the puppy just working to please, Labs are known for that. But as I found out on this board food is a great motivator, find what she likes and use that to enhance her training.
As schnauzer Girl stated your puupy is a little over weigh, I think the AKC states the proper weigh for a Lab is 70 - 85lb. Your puppy is on its way to exceed that. Of course I've seen 95lbs Labs working just fine, they love to eat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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#21219 - 08/29/2002 10:15 AM |
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Sharon
How long the dog sits is only important if you are going to compete in obedience. Don't try to see how long a puppy goes before he breaks the command. If you do that, the pup learns, at some point, I can get up without being released. If the dog is not sitting on the first command it is either not trained yet and confused, or the dog is being hard headed. The dog should obey with one command. If your not in a position to reinfource the command, don't give it. Every time a dog refuses a first command, you are teaching him that he can. Keep everything happy and fun, but be consistant. Not being consistant,IMO, is one of the major problems in new trainers.
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#21220 - 08/29/2002 11:12 AM |
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Ringsports answer makes a lot of sense. The dog knows, when he consistantly responds under different distractions, in different places. Don't throw to much at him at one time, at first.
Sharon
Make sure you vary the times without any pattern. 60 sec one time, 0ne min another, another time 10 sec. This keeps the dog from falling into a set routine where he will start anticipating your release.
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