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#21238 - 07/28/2002 11:47 AM |
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Most of my experience has been in training retrievers. I don't teach a "stay" command. I teach my dogs that sit means sit until told to do otherwise. Down means down. Traditionally dog obedience has used a sit/stay or down/stay.
Can anyone give a compelling reason to use a "stay" command? The dog I'm teaching basic obedience to now will be my PSD so look at answers to the question from that standpoint.
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#21239 - 07/28/2002 12:58 PM |
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Chris, Here is my reason for the STAY COMMAND.
1. Dog in back of truck=STAY
2. Dog in vehicle=Stay
3. Dog by open gate to outside of yard=Stay
4. Dog in certain room in house=Stay
5. Dog in crate with gate open=Stay
How many ways this could be used is up to the trainer/handler.
I don't think that the dog should be put in Sit or Down all the time to control their actions.
Yes when told to Sit, the Sit command is held until released, same with the Down.
Most times in the house the Stay will result in a Down, however outside or in vedhicle the dog has the option to not excede the boundries being enforced. Granted this too will take training to be 100%. As all proofing is of most importance.
Remember I'm just a dog owner and not a trainer so my version of this my be nothing but Sh#t.
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Re: Stay command
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#21240 - 07/28/2002 01:08 PM |
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Chris,
I use stay as a reminder. If the dog starts to move I throw in the stay command prior to the dog moving far enough to require a second down/sit command. The other thing I use it for is when I am walking away from the dog in a heeling situation, I use it to re-enforce that I don't want the dog to follow. I don't think it is required in either situation, but old habits die hard so I use it.
Crabtree,
I use wait for what you are talking about. The dog has no command other than not to violate a boundry.
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#21241 - 07/28/2002 01:36 PM |
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I use both stay and wait. For me, stay is generally when I want the dog to stay put until I return. Wait is if I want him to wait for a release, such as in the doorway of the house, or getting out of the car.
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#21242 - 07/28/2002 01:44 PM |
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Comming from AKC Ob background, for me, stay is a formal command for competition. Wait is for every day use such as , Wait,I'm going through the door first, then you can follow, or wait, I'm going to throw this ball and you may retrieve it when I say so. This also goes for come and here. Come means come/front/sit. Here simply means I want you over here by me.
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#21243 - 07/28/2002 02:06 PM |
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You should find out if there are any requirements about commands in your state's certification standard. Maybe you will get knocked for using double commands in obedience, I don't know. If you don't have cert. standards, then use whatever you want.
I don't use stay for anything.
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#21244 - 07/28/2002 02:22 PM |
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You can get loose points for double commands in AKC Ob. For instance, Rocky Come, one command. Rocky----come. The hesitation gets points off for double command. The explanation is that you are getting the dogs attention first, then calling him. IMHO, if you are in the ring, the dogs attention should always be on you. Sch makes more sense to me. One command to sit,etc., then it is the dogs job to pay attention till he gets next command.
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#21245 - 07/28/2002 02:31 PM |
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Richard said: Crabtree,
I use wait for what you are talking about. The dog has no command other than not to violate a boundry.
That makes it a lot simpler and more versitile, Richard.
Butch:Vancamp are you saying that you never use the Stay Command? How do keep the dog in a certain area? I want to make sure that I don't mess up when I get the new pup. Thanks
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#21246 - 07/28/2002 03:57 PM |
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Earthdog, I know.
Butch, that is exactly what I am saying. I never use a stay command. I use a down, sit, or stand for just about anything that requires a dog to be stationary.
Down to stay in living room, stand in doorways, sit at doors, etc. Not necessarilly the best thing to do with a competition dog, it will mess with any precision that you have been working so hard for. Just use down.
I also never use a stay command when teaching another command. One word should be enough.
Just one way to do it.
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#21247 - 07/28/2002 04:08 PM |
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First off there are no state certification standards in Alabama. I am voluntarily using USPCA standards however. I think just Sit or Down would suffice both for certification and street work.
I would tend to use a Stay command like has been mentioned if I trained it. Stay in the truck, etc. My theory has always been not to use double commands. If the dog starts to break I reinforce with the proper command, i.e. sit, down, etc.
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