While practicing our nonverbal sit after heeling last night, I wanted to make it cleaner. When were heeling on lease they (sometimes line up like soliders) or when it's one at a time on lease.

But off lease they seem to from a "C" semi circle around my left knee one starting near my heel a foot apart until the male GSD is almost facing my knee.

One on one, its sometime right at head even with my knee but sometimes he/she will sorta face me. This is without a verbal command, but just the "body signal big step with left leg".

Question one dog at a time, how do I get this cleaner in the quickest less confusing way, for them & me?

Sliding a 90+ lb dog's rear end around to the right position,(except the female GSD 70+lb), is a option but not a pleasant one.

I can hand signal (pointing finger) to the right position, but this is two commands and not clean. I was happy, the way it was, you guys have rubbed off on me, now I want better. Just because I think we can, do it better.

Don't reward until the correct position is done! Create some drive with whatever, food, toy and until the dog hits it perfect, reward...

I would put them back on leash and reward the instant correct position is done, for a few weeks, then try again off leash with the same drive, and see what happens, I have sort of the same problem with my dog, but he will re-position as much as it takes off leash until he gets it perfect then he gets reward...

Sometimes because the dog knows the collar is not on, he don't have to do it right... HA I just pick him up like a suit case by his shoulder and back skin, with a little twist to make my point of "there don't gota be a collar to get a correction" Then re-build drive real fast and reward with a sit or something he really knows..lots of praise, he comes around fast with the next heel.

Someone told me "correction with the hands require a reward and praise with the hands" I think it was Sch3Fh2

Most dogs really hate to be picked up in this fashion, just have to know your dog, so he don't bite your face off. It's not for everyone.

Ok,
I was pointed out a very important thing here that I should re-address.

When were heeling on lease they (sometimes line up like soliders) or when it's one at a time on lease.
Dude... are you saying you heel all three dogs at one time, in a line like soliders?

If you are saying that, how can you expect any of them to have a perfect sit? How is any of them out in line going to know he is suppost to sit perfect in line with your knee if they are WAY out side by two other dogs? You are killing me man!

My only suggestion is to, just like it all the other posts, TRAIN ONE DOG AT A TIME! Do you see the pattern in your problems yet? We do!

Are you working all three dogs at the same time?

I could be wrong, but I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to train them one at a time? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I think that when you're heeling them all three off lead, it's natural for them to form an arc, so they can all see you.

Please re-read the post all three are line up like solider on lease, no problem here.

Off lease, I'm asking for help training one at a time to do a good/close sit aftering heeling 8 out of ten times. Instead of 2 out of ten.

I'll make all three do it after I get one trained to do it by repeating the processing and adjusting for their personality.

Thanks, Lonnie the pick them up and place method would work on the females but on the the male, I'd have to kinda forcefully slide him. I don't think I want to lift 96lbs. He doesn't even like me to push him around, I would never alpha roll, him. Sorta of a mutual respect thing, but I'm still the boss, there maybe a rank issue here.

So you guys, that are complaining about training three at once, they eventually perform the task together but they learn it one at a time, each part one at a time.

So take a chill, pill and write something helpful, its not that they can't do it, its just not in line, off lease.

I want them to do it better, one at a time first. By the way the female learn it faster, but they forget it sooner. No trying to start anything, just my observation. :rolleyes:

Well because I never have tried to train three dogs to heel at one time, or anyone else I know or have heard of, I can't offer much advise my friend..

Just to be a butt and ask you some questions...

1: If you train one at a time, I will assume right next to your leg, heeling. Then when all three are there two dogs must be out away from you, in a not normal position (as opposed to when they were trained what heeling was) how can you expect them to understand what heeling is? One day you teach them heel means right next to my left side, the next it's at my left side but two dogs down? When they sit of course it's not going to be tight, as posted they are most likley used to bending around to view you clearly, because they are two or three dogs out.... they are confused!

My advise and usful post again would be stop doing a three dog heel, and teach all three "one at a time" how to heel proper other wise they will never get it, they will always be confused as to what heel is, because of your inconsistantacy.

Sounds like circus training lol

I hope you work it out.

Is this a joke?

VanCamp, my friend, I believe it is not...

(BOIIING!)

(BOIIIIIING!)

Oh, and by the way, it is a LEASH, not a lease...