Wendy Lefebvre wrote 07/14/2009 09:28 AM Jumped in #246723 - 07/14/2009 09:28 AM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	ok, so i decided to jump into the raw game with Tucker. I bought some chicken leg quarter's with the backs attached and cut them up removing the backs and seperating the leg from the thigh and getting rid of almost all of the fat & skin. I went through a few threads here and saw that for the first little bit to not add any supplements just yet, but wait for his body to adjust to the raw diet, see what his stool is like then GRADUALLY start adding in other items once I see what his reaction stool wise is like. so I gave him the backs on Monday night ( he ate those pretty quickly and in kind of large chunks, maybe 4 bites and they were gone) and the same again last night. My only concern is that he hasn't had a bowel movement yet since i started with the back's. I can't remember does raw take longer or quicker to digest than kibble? Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Natalya Zahn wrote 07/14/2009 09:42 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #246725 - 07/14/2009 09:42 AM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Hi Wendy, Congrats on making the switch! You're correct about taking it really slow right now and only introducing one new food at a time. Chicken backs are a great start too. In a dog that is fully acclimated to a raw diet, the digestive system will pass raw foods QUICKER than kibble, however, since Tucker is only on his first few raw meals, I'd expect his system to take longer than usual to figure out what just happened. You may have seen a bowel movement by now if all you gave him was raw muscle meat, but his gut has never had to digest raw bone before, so it may very well slow things down. As long as he's behaving normally, doesn't seem uncomfortable, I'd give him another day or so to finally pass everything. Keep us posted! (You know we love poop watching threads!) ~Natalya
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/14/2009 10:01 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #246729 - 07/14/2009 10:01 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31574 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Ditto. Plus, if those were bony backs, I'd add some muscle meat to the next meal. You should see that result within half a day. The meat/bone ratio is what makes for a softer/drier poop.
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Wendy Lefebvre wrote 07/14/2009 10:41 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246738 - 07/14/2009 10:41 AM
Wendy Lefebvre Webboard User Reg: 12-08-2005 Posts: 1271 Loc: Stoney Creek , Ontario, Canada Offline	I figured chicken backs would be a good start compared to chicken necks....i think he would definately just plow through the necks because they are so soft. They weren't too bony, i cut them off myself so i made sure to keep some of the actual thigh meat attached. But I did make sure to remove as much of the fat that I could. And the backs seemed to have some bits of organ meat attached to it...or what looked like organ meat to me. ok, so i'll wait to see what happens when i get home today. I have him secluded in the front hallway (which is all tile) just in case this switch has a negative effect and i come home to the result....lol. so if there is no problems, from everyone else's experience, what would you add next? And would giving him a drumstick be a wrong move tonight? considering the bone in the drumstick is much denser, too much too soon? Don't complain....TRAIN!!!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/14/2009 10:48 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #246739 - 07/14/2009 10:48 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31574 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Backs are my bar-none favorite beginner piece. They do vary in meatiness, but those cartilage-y connections there are great for beginners. I'd add a little muscle meat next; it appears (so far) that the dog needs that. That's kidneys you see.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/14/2009 10:50 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #246740 - 07/14/2009 10:50 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31574 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Wendy Lefebvre .... so if there is no problems, from everyone else's experience, what would you add next? Just the backs with a little more muscle meat would be my choice. When you have perfect poops, then you can add ingredients, one at a time. What do you have? You can slice off muscle meat to add to the next meal.
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Michael_Wise wrote 07/14/2009 10:56 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246741 - 07/14/2009 10:56 AM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	How much does he weigh and how much are you feeding him? I've noticed that if Turbo is fed a smaller meal than what he usually gets that he might not have a bowel movement at all the day after. Raw does digest quicker, but more of the food is actually used so there is less waste. If you didn't feed a lot, he might not have to poop yet.
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Michael_Wise wrote 07/14/2009 11:03 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Wendy Lefebvre ] #246742 - 07/14/2009 11:03 AM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Quote: Wendy Lefebvre so if there is no problems, from everyone else's experience, what would you add next? And would giving him a drumstick be a wrong move tonight? considering the bone in the drumstick is much denser, too much too soon? I'd wait on the drumstick. I don't know if it is the bone or the dark-y-er meat, but I feel like I read more often of beginner dogs having trouble with those or the entire leg 1/4er's. After you see consistent poops with the chicken backs, THEN I'd give them a go.:smile:
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Jennifer Mullen wrote 07/14/2009 11:09 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Michael_Wise ] #246744 - 07/14/2009 11:09 AM
Jennifer Mullen Webboard User Reg: 08-16-2007 Posts: 2365 Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Offline	Wendy! YAY raw feeding! I bet Tucker is thrilled. If you want GTA-area good places to get cheap bulk meat, let me know. Teagan!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/14/2009 11:13 AM Re: Jumped in [Re: Michael_Wise ] #246745 - 07/14/2009 11:13 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31574 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise ..... I'd wait on the drumstick. I don't know if it is the bone or the dark-y-er meat, but I feel like I read more often of beginner dogs having trouble with those or the entire leg 1/4er's. After you see consistent poops with the chicken backs, THEN I'd give them a go.:smile: Me too. I also don't know whether it's that weight-bearing bone or what, but some dogs need to get their enzyme production up to speed, I think, to do well with them. The other problem we see here (for a beginner RMB) is turkey necks.
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