 protection training evaluation
#250816 - 08/24/2009 04:35 PM |
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I have a 8 month female doberman, were my trainer evaluated her for protection training a month ago. The first evaluation, she was confused and scared, were she tried to hide behind me. She believed it might have to do with my dobe not having any experience playing with anyone else. She also advised I sit in the protection classes to let my puppy get used to the sights and sounds.
I have been doing the two above for a month. I have been able to get her to play tug with a few other people but it took her time to get comfortable with other people, before playing.
The next evaluation, she showed signs of her prey and play drive, were she jumped and chased after the tug toys, but would not bite at them. It seems like she is coming out of her shell, but has anyone had this issue?
I have bought the drive and focus video in hopes to build her drives. Anyone have any other advise or comments?
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Re: protection training evaluation
[Re: Aldo Kang ]
#250820 - 08/24/2009 05:36 PM |
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Protection training or sport training?
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Re: protection training evaluation
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#250822 - 08/24/2009 06:48 PM |
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Well, your first problem is that you have a doberman for ppd. Nothing against dobes, I have one too.
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Re: protection training evaluation
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#250826 - 08/24/2009 07:18 PM |
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If you plan on using this dog for actual PPD work in the future, it's not suitable from what you're describing.
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#250827 - 08/24/2009 07:53 PM |
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If you plan on using this dog for actual PPD work in the future, it's not suitable from what you're describing.
Aldo, this may not be what you wanted to hear, but if it is advice given by Will R. on ppd's - you are getting solid, professional advice. Can you change your focus from a ppd to another skill with this particular pup?
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Re: protection training evaluation
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#250845 - 08/24/2009 10:13 PM |
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It sounds like what you're describing is drive building and bite development, which is a precursor to protection training. What are your goals in training?
I wouldnt' just wash out an 8 month old puppy because it's a little nervous around people. I would suggest socializing her to more people. Not letting them reach out for her while you are holding her, but letting them take her leash so she must trust and go with them, and have them spend just a minute walking her around and interacting with her, do that with 20 people and you should see a difference.
I think a Dobe, if from the right lines, is a great protection dog and some can do well in sport work, too. Lack of prey drive will hinder in sport, but doesn't make a dog unsuitable for real-life civil protection. She is still a puppy and needs drive building and learn to bite properly, all in fun and prey. Has your trainer tried using a flirt pole with a tug on the end?
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Re: protection training evaluation
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#250853 - 08/24/2009 10:56 PM |
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I am still getting used to using this board, I meant the above reply to the original poster, not Barbara.
I wanted to add... The good Dobes are playing and biting at 8 months old, so you may not have the best dog in the world genetically for protection, I am training a Dobie right now at 5 months will tug with anyone, from working lines. BUT it's so hard for us to say without seeing your dog! I lean towards the optimistic side and say good training can make up for certain things and she may end up good, depending on what you want and how good your trainer is.
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#250864 - 08/25/2009 02:35 AM |
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" Lack of prey drive will hinder in sport, but doesn't make a dog unsuitable for real-life civil protection"
Jennifer,
Do you have any idea about what you're saying?
Please, stop making comments when people are discussing PPD's, you obviously have *zero* idea about what you're talking about and this forum does not allow the inexperienced to give *bad* advice, which is exactly what you're doing. 
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Re: protection training evaluation
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#250873 - 08/25/2009 07:59 AM |
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If you plan on using this dog for actual PPD work in the future, it's not suitable from what you're describing.
could it be maturity level? my dog didn't show any interest in bite work until after her second full heat cycle then she turned into a snorting, decoy hating psycho bitch. What I think also may of helped was stakeing her out while I worked he mother in bite and prey. It was like somebody flipped a switch
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Re: protection training evaluation
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#250875 - 08/25/2009 08:22 AM |
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Yeah Dennis, she didn't show any interest, but was she "confused and scared?"
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