I have a 11y yr old Canadain Cur (tree dog).. She is the only one at our house out of 4 dogs that has not taken to raw well.. She tends to vomit up bile which I think is this from a high metabilism (empty stomach). She will also vomit on a pretty regular basis on raw offerings.. I started introducing raw almost 2 years ago but have allowed her to continue on kibble since I was tired on cleaning up the mess.. She only very occasionaly vomits bile on kibble and thats when we are late with a meal. She has had a complete bloodwork up and exam all looks great. (Vet even said if he did know her age his guess would have been 5y)
The raw things my dogs are given include rabbit,chicken,turkey,beef,eggs,yogurt,venison,moose,elk,lamb.. a variety of fruits and Vegs.. Any suggestions would be great I really would like her on raw at least most of the time.. Thanks

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I have a 11y yr old Canadain Cur (tree dog).. She is the only one at our house out of 4 dogs that has not taken to raw well.. She tends to vomit up bile which I think is this from a high metabilism (empty stomach). She will also vomit on a pretty regular basis on raw offerings.. I started introducing raw almost 2 years ago but have allowed her to continue on kibble since I was tired on cleaning up the mess.. She only very occasionaly vomits bile on kibble and thats when we are late with a meal. She has had a complete bloodwork up and exam all looks great. (Vet even said if he did know her age his guess would have been 5y)
The raw things my dogs are given include rabbit,chicken,turkey,beef,eggs,yogurt,venison,moose,elk,lamb.. a variety of fruits and Vegs.. Any suggestions would be great I really would like her on raw at least most of the time.. Thanks

I would absolutely not mix raw and kibble with this dog (and, in fact, I don't recommend it with any dog).

Here's an excellent post about why not to do this: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=33&Number=248711&Searchpage=1&Main=23947&Words=kibble+Alyssa+Myracle&topic=0&Search=true#Post248711


The bile vomiting is probably from an empty stomach, exactly as you think. Dogs who bile-vomit on an empty stomach will have less frequent occasions of this on kibble because kibble takes 2 or 3 times as long to leave the stomach.

I applaud your desire to resolve this; I'm 100% with you that I would love to see this senior on fresh raw food, and I'd start her over with the gradual-addition method. I would also be sure to feed this dog two x a day, rather than one, if you are not already.

How much does she weigh?

She's 42lbs now and as a younger dog that was a live wire and actively hunting she was around 38lbs

Any suggestions on a menu to start her back on?? It was suggested by someone to introduce oatmeal with her raw. I wanted more input on that...

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She's 42lbs now and as a younger dog that was a live wire and actively hunting she was around 38lbs

Any suggestions on a menu to start her back on?? It was suggested by someone to introduce oatmeal with her raw. I wanted more input on that...

Oatmeal?

No .... I'd say the standard gradual-addition diet, beginning slowly with one item and small meals.

Are you feeding two x a day? If not, and if you cannot, the dog should at least get part of the food reserved for a snack before bed.

So first, has this dog has chicken backs? Or what chicken RMBs?

Yes she has had chicken backs and I do feed her twice a day. Other RMBs partial whole rabbit,beef ribs,chicken quaters, lamb necks...
thank you for your help

OK, I would start really simply with this dog, watching poop. I doubt that you will see vomiting on this method unless she has something wrong that you don't yet know about (I doubt that, too, since you see no vomiting on longer-digesting kibble).

So I would start with a couple of days of 70% or so of the 13 ounces or so for a full day that you will gradually work up to.

So about 9 ounces total, 4.5 ounces per meal, for a couple of days, plus a snack at bedtime to avoid bile-vomiting.

I would skin the backs for the first couple of days and give 3 ounces skinned back per meal and 1.5 ounces of ground (or not ground, but ground is readily purchased everywhere) turkey or chicken breast per meal. Save out a piece of back for the nighttime snack and give another ounce or two of ground white turkey or chicken with it. This comes to about 10-11 ounces if I added right.

Then depending on how the poops are for the first two days, you go on to add just one thing at a time, which we can help you with. The first additions for me would be unsweetened unflavored live-culture yogurt and fish oil plus E, then the skin from the backs (in separate steps).

It's very unlikely that there will be any G.I. upset on this kind of gradual adding.

We have gone 24 hrs and no vomit , Ill keep you updated!!

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We have gone 24 hrs and no vomit

You just can't go wrong with no vomit.