I recently met someone (on a home visit for work) who is breeding APBT's with English Bulldogs. He said it was to get the APBT agression out. He also mentioned each birth costs him 400$ as it has to be a c-section(apparently he "has a vet".) He claimed to have received $3,000 for one of these dogs and shipping it overseas(I know, I know,really I wasn't born last night I'm aware he was piling it up so to speak)). I asked him if it was an AKC registered breed and he said no but it's registered with some group in California and he gave it's initials. He also gave a few other groups that his dogs were registered with none of which was UKC. So I'm wondering what the purpose behind crossbreeding when there are APBT's that are therapy and rescue dogs, do they really need to breed aggression out of the lines? And I'm also wondering what's the deal with all the intiials and these dual and triple registration he threw out there. If one claims to own a kennel do they then maybe say you can register with them. So I could say my dog was registered with the MKC(Michelle's Kennel Club) I was under the assumption that the main registereing clubs were AKC and UKC, and maybe those specific to certain countrys not states. I almost forgot he called them American Bullies, he even showed me the website. The look like bulldogs with giant pitbull heads.

IMO there is nothing wrong with the APBT as it is and to think that person picked the English Bulldog, one of the least healthy breeds today in existence to mix in order improve the APBT or lessen its supposed aggressiveness is mind boggling. The English Bull dog can not breed or give birth without assistance, they can't walk in the sun without the possibility of a stroke. Many times, because of their smashed in face, thank your very much show breeders, their breathing has to be surgically repaired in order for them to breathe almost properly, and to think not to long ago this breeds conformation and temperament allowed it to be used for bull baiting. This mix is akin to breeding Picasso to a house painter in order to improve paint coverage. On the plus side it couldn't be any less healthy than the AKC show German Shepherd Dog. A good way to stop this madness is not buying these genetic time bombs. Norman

You're seeing this type of scam more and more nowadays, with unethical fly-by-night wannabe "breeders" throwing two different breeds together for some bogus breeding and then registering their mutts with an equally unethical Kennel Club.

The worst offender of the scam Kennel Clubs is the Continental Kennel Club, which is the kennel that all the pet shops use to "register"....well, mutts.
And when some member of the general dumb public walks into those mall pet stores and sees a poodle/Pekinese mix and asks "Is that a pure bred dog?", the sleazy pet store owner can say, "yep, it has papers"!
What a fricken rip off!!
But.........if potential consumers can't take the time to spend 15 minutes researching a pet ( that has the potential to be in their house for the next 15 years ), I guess they get what they deserve.

As much as I hate poor ethics ( and borderline criminal behavior, in my opinion ), I hate stupidity more. So both the clueless consumer and the rip-off pet stores and breeders are equally to blame.

Spend a few minutes on the Continental Kennel Club website and see just what it takes to register a dog......it is completely *bogus* and not worth the paper that it's written on.

Also, as a side note of interest, notice that the equally fraudulent IAPC ( the International Association of Canine Professionals ) advertises extensively on the CKC website.
One fraud using the other fraud to rip off new victims.
Sickening!!

There are a few puppy mills that were banned from registering with the ABCA (the main Border Collie registry in the US) due to falsifying registration papers on their litters. It was proved through DNA testing.

So they went out, started up their own registry, denounced the ABCA and kept on cranking out litters to sell on their website. And the pups that don't get sold are listed as "rescue" dogs for an "adoption fee"

AKC and UKC along with foreign registries like the Kennel Club (UK) are the only ones worthwhile and with an ounce of integrity. A registry's function is to truthfully record the heritage of dogs. Any registry that is open to the point of "just send a photo" is completely worthless as to it's value.

AKC is usually the registry of choice. Most other organizations accept their registry for entry. Although AKC is not perfect at least they actually use a DNA program (although I wish it was way more strict) and do from time to time do dna to confirm heritage.

This guy breeding mutts is no different than the idiots breeding doodles. It's a trendy thing to do often fetching prices greater than the purebred dogs they came from. It's just stupid with zero consumer confirmation.

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AKC and UKC along with foreign registries like the Kennel Club (UK) are the only ones worthwhile and with an ounce of integrity. A registry's function is to truthfully record the heritage of dogs.

I disagree with that. There are several worthwhile individual breed registries in this country that strive to promote and preserve the integrity their individual breed.

Of course there are plenty of others whose "registration" isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

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AKC and UKC along with foreign registries like the Kennel Club (UK) are the only ones worthwhile and with an ounce of integrity. A registry's function is to truthfully record the heritage of dogs.

I disagree with that. There are several worthwhile individual breed registries in this country that strive to promote and preserve the integrity their individual breed.

Of course there are plenty of others whose "registration" isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Naming a few of them would be helpful....

For those who would like to see what a crap registration form looks like. https://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Downloads/online_canineapp.pdf

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AKC and UKC along with foreign registries like the Kennel Club (UK) are the only ones worthwhile and with an ounce of integrity. A registry's function is to truthfully record the heritage of dogs.

I disagree with that. There are several worthwhile individual breed registries in this country that strive to promote and preserve the integrity their individual breed.

What ones did you mean?

American Border Collie Association and Jack Russell Terrier Club of America are two such registries.

Good examples for individual breeds.

ABCA is an interesting group. I like their focus on the working dog but their downright disdain for confirmation is an interesting policy. I am also amazed that they are able to be a closed registry.

From their website:
Dogs ineligible for ABCA registration:

The ABCA is a working stockdog registry and believes that breeding for conformation standards rather than working ability is detrimental to the health and working ability of the Border Collie. Consequently dogs or bitches which have been named a "Conformation Champion" by a conformation registry are not eligible for ABCA registration, even if they otherwise meet the requirements for registration. The ABCA will de-register any ABCA registered dog or bitch should it be named a "Conformation Champion" after January 1, 2004, and will not register the offspring of any dog or bitch named a "Conformation Champion" after that date.