Marvin Rouse wrote 09/17/2009 05:54 PM Recall #252822 - 09/17/2009 05:54 PM
Marvin Rouse Webboard User Reg: 09-05-2009 Posts: 5 Loc: Phoenixville, Pa. Offline	I have a 11 month old German shepherd. When he was young his recall was good. Now, I have to keep him on the leash at all times because if I don't, he won't come when I call him. When I have him on the 20 ft. cotton line, he does fine.(maybe he knows a correction will soon follow the come command if he doesn't listen) I usually have to coax him to me with one of his prey items. This is a problem!!!!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 05:59 PM Re: Recall [Re: Marvin Rouse ] #252823 - 09/17/2009 05:59 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Marvin Rouse I have a 11 month old German shepherd. When he was young his recall was good. Now, I have to keep him on the leash at all times because if I don't, he won't come when I call him. When I have him on the 20 ft. cotton line, he does fine.(maybe he knows a correction will soon follow the come command if he doesn't listen) I usually have to coax him to me with one of his prey items. This is a problem!!!! I would start over completely. Have you ever played keep-away? That is, have you even chased after him when he did not comply with a recall? Or have you ever corrected him when he did come, perhaps for slowness? Or called him to come inside, end a game, take a toy, etc.? My guess is that he has learned that the recall is (1) optional, and (2) not always the best thing for him. Trust me, though: this can be changed. The recall can be one of the most fun things to train.
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Marvin Rouse wrote 09/17/2009 06:02 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252824 - 09/17/2009 06:02 PM
Marvin Rouse Webboard User Reg: 09-05-2009 Posts: 5 Loc: Phoenixville, Pa. Offline	Connie, I appreciate your input. You say this can be changed....but how?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 06:16 PM Re: Recall [Re: Marvin Rouse ] #252825 - 09/17/2009 06:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: marvin rouse Connie, I appreciate your input. You say this can be changed....but how? I'm glad you asked. http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=15&Number=232218&Searchpage=4&Main=22707&Words=recall&topic=0&Search=true#Post232165 http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=15&Number=232218&Searchpage=4&Main=22707&Words=recall&topic=0&Search=true#Post232218 http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/232218/page/0/fpart/3 http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=203226&page=0#Post203278 http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=134&Number=217515&Searchpage=5&Main=21490&Words=recall&topic=0&Search=true#Post217515 http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=233357&page=0#Post233357 http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/247197/page/0/fpart/1 (You will see that the word "recall" is in bold throughout; that's just because it was my search term.)
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Anne Jones wrote 09/17/2009 06:37 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252831 - 09/17/2009 06:37 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	Many dogs go thru a stage of 'independence' around a year of age. At least my GSDs have at that age. I kind of think it is a bit of a 'right of passage'. Ha, Ha. Just go back & retrain & reinforce the recall command. MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 06:56 PM Re: Recall [Re: Anne Jones ] #252836 - 09/17/2009 06:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yes, going back is never a bad thing. I forgot to mention that the recall is an all-day, indoor-outdoor thing. No need to wait for a session, and no need even to go outdoors every time to practice. You can be actively looking for reasons to use your recall for good stuff. I have little dishes of tiny LB rewards* on bookcases, etc., around the house. The dogs never know when a reward will pop up, and they all have a terrific slot-machine mentality. I will call (I call by name because of having multiple dogs) every now and then for no reason at all but to reinforce that "recall is wonderful" perception. For me, proofing for distraction, venue, and distance (separately, at first) is done only when I have perfect compliance with no distraction. And then the distractions are added very gradually, as is increased distance. Venue too, starting with every room in the house, the back yard, etc. * http://leerburg.com/treat.htm Every one of the top two rows is teeny perfect-size training rewards, and so are many of the ones below.
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Marvin Rouse wrote 09/17/2009 09:04 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252847 - 09/17/2009 09:04 PM
Marvin Rouse Webboard User Reg: 09-05-2009 Posts: 5 Loc: Phoenixville, Pa. Offline	Connie Thanks for all the links. I've got my work cut out for me. Anybody who has ever experienced this knows how frustrating/embarrassing this can be, and it never happens at a convenient time, it's always just before work, just before going out, or at midnite when you let the dog out before you go to bed and he decides he wants to explore the countryside...Not to mention how dangerous this can potentially be!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 09:14 PM Re: Recall [Re: Marvin Rouse ] #252848 - 09/17/2009 09:14 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Marvin Rouse Connie Thanks for all the links. I've got my work cut out for me. Anybody who has ever experienced this knows how frustrating/embarrassing this can be, and it never happens at a convenient time, it's always just before work, just before going out, or at midnite when you let the dog out before you go to bed and he decides he wants to explore the countryside...Not to mention how dangerous this can potentially be! We have all experienced it. Starting over (and dedicated long line use) will be very good. When I have a newly adopted dog, I have a long line near every door. This one is my fave: http://leerburg.com/729.htm I just clip it on as a matter of course. It's 20 feet long, so it's really nothing like a leash. Then there can never be a time when the dog ignores the recall and gets to stay where he is. Just reel him in, no comment and no reward, but never ever teaching that he can ignore the recall (which is what you teach every time you call with no way to enforce it, unless you know it's a reliable command). You will be so happy one of these days when your dog turns away from some interesting distraction because you called him, and he comes galloping over to you. You will not begrudge one second of the training. You will not even begrudge it during, because it's a fun command to train.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/17/2009 09:17 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252849 - 09/17/2009 09:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	P.S. However, the beginning training for me is very close up. It's nowhere near 20 feet away, outdoors -- more like a few feet, or almost touching distance. That is, I am so close that I am really the only show in town. Increasing that distance is one of the gradual distraction/venue/distance things.
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Nora Ferrell wrote 09/17/2009 09:34 PM Re: Recall [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #252851 - 09/17/2009 09:34 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland P.S. However, the beginning training for me is very close up. It's nowhere near 20 feet away, outdoors -- more like a few feet, or almost touching distance. That is, I am so close that I am really the only show in town. Increasing that distance is one of the gradual distraction/venue/distance things. When you take them outside on the twenty footer, do you give them time to get interested in something other than you. If I have mine on leash, any length, she stays with me so I really can't call her to me because she is already there. Am I doing it wrong? Edited by Nora Ferrell (09/17/2009 09:36 PM) Edit reason: correct sp - can't
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