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#2787 - 06/06/2003 12:26 PM |
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Hey all,
I have an 18 month old female that chokes herself during protection work and fatigues herself easily because of it. The trainers said to use a fur saver and that believe it or not its better to have a thinner collar. These are national level trainers, so I respect their opinion, but I also respect Ed's when he says his thicker agitation collar (shown on web site) is better. What are your experiences? I'm not too sure about a harness because I think there would be more control with a collar and she could not drag me around like a sled dog. But if that better for her, I'll do it. If you guys could let me know, I'd appreciate it, I need to buy something soon. Thanks.
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#2788 - 06/06/2003 12:35 PM |
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The wider collars are better. More even distribution of pressure. Control will not be as good, but she won't choke (which is damaging her trachea).
If you are good with both hands you can do an agitation harness and a prong on two lines. Ask around and see if someone in your club has one you can try, lots of people collect equiptment, which later collects dust. That way you will know BEFORE you shell out the dough on a good one.
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#2789 - 06/06/2003 12:35 PM |
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I've tried all 3, fur saver, agitation and harness. Harnesses for me was more difficult to control, fur saver pulls too hard and chokes off. I have a 3 inch leather agitation collar that works wonders. I still can use a pinch collar for corrections and still be able to take the pressure off with the agitation. I love it.
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#2790 - 06/06/2003 12:37 PM |
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The agitation Harness Ed sells is great.
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#2791 - 06/06/2003 03:38 PM |
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Also, a harness takes all the pressure off the neck, where he can lunge & not feel choked out. I haven't tried a wide collar, but the regular collars aren't designed to be pulled against like that. I've found that my dog wants to bite the most when he's most comfortable.
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#2792 - 06/06/2003 04:12 PM |
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What protection work are you refering too?
If its bite training, why would you want a correction? Ninty nine percent of the time you dont want the dog corrected, even by accident. Thus the wide or harness. If your doing bark and hould , outs or something like that I just "ADD" a pinch.
You say the dog is pulling you around. Is this when he is agitated? If so you want that drive. Dont correct for it.
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#2793 - 06/07/2003 12:28 AM |
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I use the harness and prefer it. The only problem is that you still must train with the collar. A good example of this is last week we had a trial at our local club. One female was doing great (low 90's) up to protection. Handler brought the dog out and sent it. Dog went to the blind with helper, gave a couple of woofs, then back to the handler. The dog was confused and showed it. Dog was later brought out with the harness on, this dog was compleatly different, was assertive, confident. Judge said that would have been a 95. The handler will now train with the collar. While I think the harness is easier on the neck, I won't forget this lesson and will also train with the collar.
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#2794 - 06/16/2003 11:50 AM |
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How about the thick nylon 3" collars and the nylon harness? I know a lot of people use the leather collars and harness, but I understand the nylon is tougher, lighter and just as good.
I don't use any correction devise until the out work and after the desired responce has been attained.
Is there any study that shows the tensile strength of nylon vs. Leather? Is this just tradition that leather is still more popular.
For exampled, almost all of the old law enforcement holsters/belts and accessories have been replaced by high quailty light more durable and less slippery nylon products.
I never saw how leather soled Roppers/leather could help you catch anybody. The new leather/nylon and rubber tread service boot/shoe are much better. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Whats your opinion on the nylon dog training equipment? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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#2795 - 06/16/2003 04:56 PM |
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I've never seen a nylon collar that didn't bunch up, or slip too much. The leather is more stiff and seems to spread out the force on the neck better. Same goes for nylon vs. leather harnesses.
I've also never seen a nylon collar with as solid a buckle and D-ring as a leather protection collar. same goes for nylon harnesses.
They are all cheap looking and usually plastic snaps instead of buckles, they have crappy looking rings. . .
I've also never seen a nylon collar or harness with a snap protecting the stitched areas. . .only cheap looking stitching.
IF I found some high quality nylon, with snaps, high quality rings, that were thick enough and heavy duty enough then I'd think about buying them. Leather and my climate don't like each other much.
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#2796 - 06/16/2003 08:45 PM |
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I have never seen a really wide nylon collar that would be acceptable for an agitation collar. I have een using a nylon harness and it is working failry well. I am still going to get a leather harness to use. The reason is that the nylon harness is a little thinner than I would like. It has tended to slip up a bit and put pressure on the throat.
Over the last few years I have come to the conclusion that it is better to use a harness on a larger dgo (>80#). It reduces the self corrections and the dog having to stop to hack and choke.
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