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Have a look at this video. It's of a helper named Alex who used to live 40 miles from us. He was in the dog business here in WI but from Russia. He has moved back to Russia.

In this video you will see the wrong way to do helper work - Alex was dramatically reminded of this by this Mal.

If you have weak nerves you don't want to watch this video.

Maybe this should be used in a video on HOW NOT TO DO HELPER WORK> :-)

Maybe someone can help me understand what exactly he did wrong, as I am just begining to learn helper work. To me it looks like he was just going to drive the dog and give it a stick hit and the dog just decided to switch arms.

It might be a good idea to have the dog centered on the sleeve with a full (preferably calm) grip (repeatedly), before attempting to drive, if that was what he was trying to do.

I saw two things.
#1 A helper that did a crap presentation of the sleeve and, instead of working that problem out he either panicked or thought he would "correct" the dog.
#2 A dog that was smart enough to know the sleeve was all a game and tough enough that he wanted to make it real when the stick hand came in range.
I,m in no way a helper but I wouldn't drive a dog that wasn't in the pocket. At best you're going to teach the dog bad habits. At worst...rewatch the video!

In rewatching it myself, it looks as if the helper was looking for the dog to do a B&H. The dog didn't see it that way. Poor training/smart/bdass dog.

You guys missed what happen here. Watch it again.

The dog got a bad bite and he hit the dog in the head with his fist.

You just saw a video of how quickly a dog can regrip the arm thats striking him. It happens so fast you missed it.

Teaching a dog to regrip like this is something I was teaching police dogs 20 years ago I actually show how to train it in my police K9 video.

I think this dog was self taught though. :-)

Look how low he was holding the sleeve when the dog connected with him. Didn't even try and make a presentation. It still looks like he was expecting a H&B. That would be on the handler also.
Poor all around....except for the dog of course! ;-)

He wasnt presenting the sleeve, because it was supposed to be a b & H. He would have lifted the sleeve for a presentation if the mal would have barked for it a while. when the mal bit it - the helper was correcting the dog with his fist. then...the dog gave the helper a lesson in respect.

If you have a dog that has the gonads to stand up to a man in a real fight outside of his equipment tunnel vision i would say this could be almost predictable.

i personally would have stayed in position and made the fight as unrewarding as possible, not slip the sleeve, and allow the owner to do whatever she normally does to call the dog back. teach the dog that the only way to get a satisfying fight is to complete the proper motions. If correction is needed after due process then allow the handler to do it.

I've known of Dutch shepherds in particular that would do this to their own handler if that handler didnt take the time to build the proper relationship and have the dog understand "why" it was being corrected first - before laying it on him. working with one like this right now. a little patience goes a long way.
and of course never correct a dog that you expect to stand up to a person if you dont have the proper relationship...ie. that agitator!

holy crap! just watched it again in slow mo! The dog was committed to the transfer way before he was hit with the fist.

He was going for the arm as soon as he saw the agitator winding up. I'm guessing the dog has been crossed trained in PP or has been exposed to agitators correcting him previously like this, and was saying "not this time!.." again, why i would never have the agitator correct the dog (unless the dog doesnt know the agitator is behind the correction)

Good PPD!

the funny thing is that i just posted a vid of a mal i purposely trained to do this and it took months! I should have just enrolled him in that guys shutzhund club - got him titled the same time!

sorry, im obsessed with this video...

the agitator has a whip, he was going to sting the dog in the flank for the early bite. I would say definitely he pulled that one on the dog before... Holy Poop!....

also a good example of how a good 'pull down' can drop a man to his knees.

at least the guy seems proud of his injury afterwards. Spectators didnt seem to traumatized or surprised either - this happen often at his club...