Edmond Kan wrote 11/22/2009 05:22 AM Building Drive - With food and play...... #257440 - 11/22/2009 05:22 AM
Edmond Kan Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2008 Posts: 59 Loc: England Offline	Hi, questions about the duration of both training with food and motivational retrieving. Some trainers ive met say 'keep sessions short so keep the dog keen for the next session'. The other is 'try to encourage the dog to do 'one more' repetition'. In ways, I've never really thought about it and i've run out of treats before my dogs got bored/full; though from some personal experience does it create a sense of 'obligation' of the dog to do 'one more repetition'; through encouragement - (i'm not 'physically forcing' the dog to perform). Thanks in advance.
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 11/22/2009 11:38 AM Re: Building Drive - With food and play...... [Re: Edmond Kan ] #257445 - 11/22/2009 11:38 AM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	Doing "just one more" rep is human nature. It is not always in the best interest of your dog. I always stop before the dog wants the session to end, and that in itself builds drive to work even longer the next time. I've raised my current dog a bit differently than I've raised other dogs in the past. If he does soemthing right and really well, he gets rewarded and we move on (or end the session) If he makes a mistake, the only consequence is that he has to do it again. This also builds drive in the dog to do things RIGHT (which is huge) Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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Bob Scott wrote 11/22/2009 11:50 AM Re: Building Drive - With food and play...... [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #257447 - 11/22/2009 11:50 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	It goes back to ending on something the dog can do well. On my worst training day I will do something as simple as a "sit" and call it a day. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Sharon Empson wrote 11/23/2009 11:23 AM Re: Building Drive - With food and play...... [Re: Edmond Kan ] #257495 - 11/23/2009 11:23 AM
Sharon Empson Webboard User Reg: 08-27-2007 Posts: 1197 Loc: Offline	I have used the I finish before they want to strategy. And my dogs love to "play" as we call it. Cody is the one who loves it the most. When I let the other dogs out, he won't go and asks by running back to the living room and looking up at me with joy and excitement and jumping straight up and down in the air (he is a Jack Russell mix). This strategy has worked well for me and my dogs love to learn something new. I do always try and end on a positive note. THeir favorite ending is the flirt pole with a stuffed bunny tied to the end. They go nuts. Sharon Empson
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Sheila Buckley wrote 11/23/2009 11:53 AM Re: Building Drive - With food and play...... [Re: Edmond Kan ] #257501 - 11/23/2009 11:53 AM
Sheila Buckley Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2007 Posts: 1243 Loc: Offline	Quote: edmond kan The other is 'try to encourage the dog to do 'one more' repetition'. If I get to this point I think I've worked my dog too long. Things seem to go better when we end with him trying to encourage me to continue.  Quote: bob scott On my worst training day I will do something as simple as a "sit" and call it a day. Sometimes that's my best training day.
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randy allen wrote 11/23/2009 12:28 PM Re: Building Drive - With food and play...... [Re: Sharon Empson ] #257506 - 11/23/2009 12:28 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Maybe you should apply your suggested strategy to the mall parking lot Sharon.
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Katie O'Connor wrote 11/23/2009 05:39 PM Re: Building Drive - With food and play...... [Re: Edmond Kan ] #257531 - 11/23/2009 05:39 PM
Katie O'Connor Webboard User Reg: 01-09-2007 Posts: 556 Loc: Upstate NY Offline	Quote: Edmond Kan The other is 'try to encourage the dog to do 'one more' repetition'. If I bring my dog out and she hits the first command or exercise exactly the way I want I throw a little party and we move on. To me, one more rep of a perfect exercise leaves her guessing what she's doing wrong because I'm asking for it over and over again. You can go back to it in another training session or move on to proofing it, but I'm not a big fan of repeating just for repetition sake. If I'm repeating a command or exercise that my dog isn't getting, then I'm likely lowering the criteria until they do get it right. Katie SG S'Eliana vom Kraftwerk IPO3,AD,CGC,KKL1 Jaya von der Olgameister AD, CGC Pierre, the Poodle!
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