 Reserving a novel protein source:
#262890 - 01/21/2010 04:52 PM |
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Hi all,
I didn't want to hi-jack Katie's thread so I thought I would start a new one.
I just read about rabbit starvation, and boy was that an eye opener! With the lack of fat on the rabbit, it makes me want to reconsider using it as a protein for a future elimination diet.
Kangaroo has been suggested and might still be a consideration.
However as if rabbit wasn't expensive enough, kangaroo looks to be considerably more!
Ugh oh,  (hand on head, scratching for solutions...
I have fed, Beef, buffalo, chicken, turkey, lamb, goat, duck, venison,and that is about it.
I was so sure that rabbit was going to be my source and now I am wondering what to do?
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
I am sure this has been discussed many times before, but thought because this is so important, why not talk some more about it, that and I am really needing some suggestions.
Thanks in advance, 
Joyce Salazar
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262891 - 01/21/2010 05:05 PM |
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What about all the many kinds of fish? I buy fresh whole (frozen) sardines and mackerel for under $2 a pound from a fish market for my dogs. Except for salmon, most kinds of fish would be fine as a novel protein.
I don't see pork on your list, but that's probably an oversight?
Goose? Quail? Ostrich? Alpaca?
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262892 - 01/21/2010 05:13 PM |
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Thanks Tracy,
Yeah, I have a few more oversights. I have fed sardines and mackerel and pork too. 
Ahh, but goose and quail, ostrich and alpaca I have not fed,
Thanks for those suggestions!
I just thought of Elk too. I see that Bravo has the basic formula of just elk meat, bones and organ meats, so that might be the solution and I will likely consider this one for an elimination diet.
Or Ostrich could work.
I just hope that other 'newbie's to raw will read this and learn
from my mistake.
Joyce Salazar
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262893 - 01/21/2010 05:14 PM |
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Unless you know that your dog has not only never been fed fish but also has never lived with or visited a house with a cat, fish is unlikely to be novel.
Both stolen cat food and litter-box snackies would mean that the dog has probably eaten fish.
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262895 - 01/21/2010 05:31 PM |
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Great thread Joyce! I'm glad it was brought up. Ostrich would be really interesting.
Rabbit starvation is totally new and interesting to me!
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262897 - 01/21/2010 05:37 PM |
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Rabbit is a great part of the diet. I think we had a very recent thread here about using a fattier meat for the extra mm if using rabbit for the RMBs. So as Melissa mentioned in another thread, rabbit probably would not be the meat I'd choose to reserve as novel, either. (It could be used, of course, by adding fat.)
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You are very fortunate to have access to rabbit locally. If you decide to use rabbit for RMBs, and you can get the nutritional info (especially fat), you can compare it to that of poultry and adjust the rest of the protein sources accordingly. (That is, does the rabbit available to you have much less fat that most poultry?) ... I've read that rabbit can be as low as 8% fat, so I'd be sure to combine it with plenty of variety, using more fatty meats to balance out the rabbit RMBs. END
This makes it less desirable (to me) to use as a sole protein source in an elimination diet.
Edited by Connie Sutherland (01/21/2010 05:43 PM)
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262901 - 01/21/2010 06:12 PM |
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This is a great thread -- and a very good reminder!
In my initial enthusiasm, and quest for variety, when I started feeding raw I wanted to try all kinds of protein sources. In hindsight, I should have withheld one lower cost, more readily available source. Now I'm left with options like ostrich, kangaroo, etc that are considerably higher priced and harder to source.
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Re: Reserving a novel protein source:
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#262906 - 01/21/2010 07:11 PM |
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Katie, I can so relate to your enthusiasm, as this was mine as well.
I never ever thought about rabbit not being a viable source until just now, so that is what prompted me to get more answers.
Thank heavens there are some sources that I have not yet fed, but I just know they are likely to be expensive.
That is why I wanted to make sure I pointed this out for beginners who are just starting out feeding raw, so they can make sure they select a source that is not only easily available but also affordable too. It is really something that I wish I had thought about before I started trying all these different proteins.
Ironically, I did so, because I was worried about changing up the proteins often to avoid a possible food allergy in the first place! 
Incidentally, now that I have decided to not use rabbit as my withheld novel protein and will opt for Elk or Ostrich, I kind of can't wait to splurge on a couple rabbits and let them have at it! 
Joyce Salazar
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#262919 - 01/21/2010 08:16 PM |
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I will be manufacturing a raw allergy formula diet with crow as the protein source. Should hit the market some time in 2011.
Just in case it isn't obvious, I'm kidding.
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#262922 - 01/21/2010 08:28 PM |
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 You know, for a millisecond, you had me Mike!
But there's not enough fat on crow, ya know?
Hee Hee!
Joyce Salazar
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