Reg: 12-23-2008
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Hi everyone, I was curious if it would be advantages to charge a different mark for one of my dogs. My house is not that big and my dogs could hear a pin drop next door and i have noticed that when i'm marking and rewarding one dog while the other is crated or with the girlfriend sometimes i can hear them being restless. My fear is that they are hearing the mark triggering the Pavlovian response, expecting food and not getting it. I'm afraid this will discharge the mark.
Is this a reasonable fear or are they just agitated that they are not the one playing at that time?
and is it possible to charge a different mark after one has been established?
Is this a reasonable fear or are they just agitated that they are not the one playing at that time?
and is it possible to charge a different mark after one has been established?
You don't need different markers for different dogs. What would be good is to work with each dog serially, and not always in the same order (work one dog first one time, then the other another time, etc.). That way you'll build the expectation that the one that's not working will get its chance, just be patient.
As far as charging markers, you can charge any marker you want to charge. I always have a verbal marker as well as the clicker, and use them depending on the circumstance.
Reg: 12-23-2008
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Thanks a lot, i wasn't sure. That makes sense though, I will try working them one after another in random order to build some anticipation.
I've only ever used a verbal marker, what circumstances do you find clickers more useful? I've always seen them used more in free shaping than luring, I'm not sure if that's just a coincident.
I use the clicker, when I start talking too much. I get so darn excited sometimes that I laugh and cheerlead, lololo.
Honestly, lololo, I used to do that, I'm getting much better.
The click sounds goes to a different part of the brain......dogs seem to get the sound much quicker than a verbal.......so I suggest when someone is having trouble with their timing I will have them use a clicker. I also use a clicker in retreiving as I can mark much more quickly than using a word. I use both!
Happy Training,
Roni
Actually, the clicker is my main marker, when I'm doing serious training sessions or even just messing around. I find it much more accurate, timing wise.
I like to have the verbal marker for when I don't have a clicker attached to my wrist, which is most of the day.
Eventually, you may get to the point (if you even want to do so) where you have one dog on a long down while you're working the other...treat the one that's holding the down occasionally, etc. I have done this with my GSD and two cats, each waiting it's turn to work. (Well, the cats don't hold a long down, but they know to wait until it's their turn.)
Roni, that's very interesting about the clicker and verbal markers hitting different areas of a dog's brain.
Reg: 12-23-2008
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Thanks guys. I have clicker, I'll break it out, charge the mark and give it a try.
Sometimes i get a little over zealous and add the mark to early. maybe if i try using a clicker i can control myself a little more, thanks for the tip.
Reg: 12-23-2008
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I played with the clicker last night and today, it did help with my timing as i rarely feed or moved at the same time as the mark.
i still used the Verbal mark with the tug work because i feel my co-ordination with that needs more work than my timing and adding the clicker to holding the leash and trying to tug with both my hands would be difficult for me at this point.
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