met with a trainer that dose something a little different than i have experienced, he puts the dog in uncomfortable positions progressively to the point that you can lift the dog upside down or from all 4 feet without the dog complaining at all, building trust and obedience.

he describes it in this way

A series of obstacles is then introduced. The obstacles increase in difficulty with time and experience. These obstacles are designed to create confusion, anxiety, escalate stress levels, create resistance and finally refusal. But as dog and handler grow in their mutual trust, and most of all respect, those same obstacles become conquerable and then conquered. The slow introduction and progression develop K9 trust to the point where the concept of refusal is eliminated. At this point, exercises can be developed where the need for K9 obligation at all times without exception exists regardless of distractions.

i will not disclose the trainer and am not inviting ridicule or insult please, just constructive opinion, as i am considering using this technique with my next dog

thank you for your input

When you make a statement of the training techniques that you propose to use in training your next dog with this so-called trainer, how can you expect people here on this forum, to not be critical of such training ways? There are alot nicer ways,for the dog & trainer,to train,develope a bond of trust & obedience & confidence from & with your dog without abusive techniques. I would run as far away from this trainer & his 'technique' as fast as you can & if you don't, god help your next dog.

Have you looked into marker training & the endless possibilities that positive/motovational training can do for you & your dog? If not, maybe you should read some of the articles & look at the videos here.

i dont understand how an obstacle course is abusive, please explain, from what i understand heavy corrections are not used, it sounds like environmental training, except more progressive and purposeful

please dont take my response to your negative comments a further invitation for abuse i am here to learn not argue

thank you so much for your input

What happens when the dog doesn't comply?

This sounds like escape training, and if so, you won't find any supporters here...

Can you give a few more details about the methods used?

i have not been threw his program as I'm currently looking for a puppy and I'm not a dog behaviorist but aren't there many ways to get a dog to conquer obstacles, or do all the people that enter their dogs in agility dog sport use abusive corrections to complete a course????

 Quote: vincent mancuso

... or do all the people that enter their dogs in agility dog sport use abusive corrections to complete a course????

Huh?

Marker training is what most folks on this board do...

Look at the free streaming video of Michael Ellis to get an idea of what you can do using marker training.

Holding a dog upside down by each of his feet until he doesn't complain builds trust & confidence? Not to me. Envoiromental exposure & confidence is very easy to achieve with a stable dog with fun motovational methods. My dogs will walk in,on,over,by any & all obsticles, noise, machines, construction equipment etc anything, without having to have been 'trained' by those kinds of methods. Exposing dogs to degrees of stress & their learning by this that they are ok is part of socialization. It doesn't have to be done in the manner in which this trainer does it to achieve results.

I'm sorry, but my dogs, especially my female, would basically 'walk thru fire' for me & I didn't need to train her by these methods to get that. JMO

 Quote: vincent mancuso

please dont take my response to your negative comments a further invitation for abuse i am here to learn not argue

Vincent, Anne's comments weren't negative in any way. You asked for opinions, and she gave you hers, with a recommendation of what training method works to build trust and a great bond w/ your dog.

edited to add: whoops, I was typing at the same time as Anne...

 Quote: anne jones

Holding a dog upside down by each of his feet until he doesn't complain builds trust & confidence? Not to me. Envoiromental exposure & confidence is very easy to achieve with a stable dog with fun motovational methods. My dogs will walk in,on,over,by any & all obsticles, noise, machines, construction equipment etc anything, without having to have been 'trained' by those kinds of methods. Exposing dogs to degrees of stress & their learning by this that they are ok is part of socialization. It doesn't have to be done in the manner in which this trainer does it to achieve results. ...

I sure do agree. The O.P. asked for opinions and these are opinions.

"Creating confusion, anxiety, and stress" is the opposite of what I want to do with my dog.

I asked Erika about it and she said "I trust you but I ain't stupid, now go get my ball...."