 Ouch! Delivering Rewards
#270063 - 03/19/2010 09:24 PM |
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My pup is 5 months old today, and the biggest challenge in training has been his full mouth hard bite! The biggest problem is delivering his reward. If I tell him easy, he’ll take it easy. If I curl my hand, he won’t bite and is very gentle, he is not at all food aggressive, if I put my hand in his food dish, he will carefully work around my hand.
When I am doing marker training, I could easily become a few digits short or my entire hand! I feed him a small amount before each session but it doesn’t seem to help.
Any ideas on what has worked best for you would be helpful!
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Re: Ouch! Delivering Rewards
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#270066 - 03/19/2010 09:32 PM |
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Tammy, what I've learned from the marker DVD is to hold the treat between your thumb and the open palm of your hand. Your palm is flat, fingers outstretched, and just the thumb, also flat, is gripping the reward against your palm. As you mark, (yes!) you "lure" the dog a little away and open the thumb, letting the treat fall to the palm. No fingers are curled and you offer the open palm.
Does this make sense? I haven't gotten bit since I've done this... every so often I "laps" and offer it tucked in my fingers and get a gentle reminder to not do that again!!
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#270068 - 03/19/2010 09:44 PM |
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Thanks Barbara..I have played that portion of the DVD many times thinking I am doing something wrong, That's what I do, but this miniscule reward must look like a pot roast to him, he actualy grabs up over the thumb!
Even when he plays with his orbee, it is lost and his mouth and will still pick up another toy and carry it!
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#270069 - 03/19/2010 09:47 PM |
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I tried marker training reception of the reward as a separate behavior: slowly bring the hand with the reward very close to the dog's mouth - if tries to get the treat, close the hand, 'no' - when the hand is touching the nose, 'yes'. Similar to the shell game. Slowed my dog down for a while. I have to refresh this more often, because she forgets and chomps the whole hand off if I don't.
The method Barbara described also works but sometimes it's difficult with odd-shaped treats, like pieces of raw liver.
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#270070 - 03/19/2010 09:54 PM |
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Rats... I was hoping you didn't know this information and I would look like a genius... 
I know I've seen Ed toss treats on the floor when training an extend down, but honestly don't know if this is appropriate in other situations.
I think I would TRY tossing it to him, while luring him toward you and keeping him engaged so he knows the reward is coming from you and not magically appearing on the floor.
Picture... Mark "YES!" move the hand back/away to make him move and get engaged and then toss to him as he gets close. ???
I think the most important thing is that the dog is marked and rewarded, the delivery can hopefully be perfected as he matures.
We can only hope more experienced folks chime in to correct us both. I hate to see the blind leading the blind... 
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#270074 - 03/19/2010 10:02 PM |
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Hi Ana,
Been there, done that over and over and over!
When I think he has it down, I am back to square one.
The spitting the treat out of my mouth is starting to sound appealing!
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#270076 - 03/19/2010 10:06 PM |
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The spitting the treat out of my mouth is starting to sound appealing!
I would just make sure he isn't a jumper and don't use raw liver or green tripe... 
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#270105 - 03/20/2010 08:26 AM |
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Thankfully he is not a jumper and no worries on the liver or tripe..blah!
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#270150 - 03/20/2010 07:58 PM |
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Its great that he is getting so excited!
Have you tried delivering the treat low and switching up hands? It might help if he doesn't know where the treat is going to come from. That way he has to slow down and think for a second before he tries to snatch it.
Also, trying to a less exciting treat can help. I find string cheese, baked hot dog slices and liver treats are all motivating but not bite your hand off exciting.
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#270184 - 03/21/2010 06:19 AM |
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Hi Lauren,
I have found this the best way, bringing the food down low and alternating hands, but there are many times in training that I would like to deliver the reward without doing this, besides I am tall so it requires more bending! 
As for the value of the reward...all food is treated equally!
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