 OB vs Prey Drive
#272488 - 04/11/2010 10:19 AM |
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Obedience is something we all want for our dogs, But should we develop prey drive much more than OB? or is there maybe a ratio for say to go by, specially a young pup? Example 1/2 ob to prey? 1/3 ob to prey? Just trying to visualize a good training. Dan
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#272493 - 04/11/2010 11:04 AM |
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Danilo,
First, What are you training your dog for?
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#272507 - 04/11/2010 12:08 PM |
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Hey michael, Shutzhund.
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#272520 - 04/11/2010 01:05 PM |
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If he's got prey drive, use it Dan. I don't know about any percentages or formulas, but prey drive and obsession with the toy makes for some nice obedience.
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#272531 - 04/11/2010 02:07 PM |
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Danilo,
I dont think it is so much a matter if you should focus on prey drive or OB, its a matter of combining the two. Drive is a tool you work with not something you work on.
Take this with a grain of salt, I do not do sports training so my advice not be exact.
Work on OB first and when you get a solid foundation start doing Bite-work with a good decoy(helper). From my experience/understanding Shutzhund is based highly on his obedience so its key to work on that first before you rush into bite-work.
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#272574 - 04/11/2010 08:18 PM |
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Steve, I agree with you, a dog that has prey drive will do a task just to play with the tug or chase the ball. I remember a person in the club long time ago, was obsess with down, sit, here etc. that dog was no good at shutzhund. No prey drive, too much discipline. That was before we heard of marker training. I don't know how it turn out, since I had to re-home my dog due to beginning of disability, but now I am back. Just much slower and want to be smarter. Dan
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#272575 - 04/11/2010 08:23 PM |
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Michael, I agree with you on combining both, but I believe as Ed has a video How to raise a working puppy, that it is a different way to go a pet vs a working dog. I have to revisit that video. Dan
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#272615 - 04/12/2010 09:32 AM |
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Danilo,
Again take what I say with a grain of salt, I have never raised a pup before so I cant give you any advice other then I agree with checking out Ed's video's.
I will still say though I think going into bite-work with out a strong OB is a bad idea. That being said if your just worried about his prey drive then if you are doing OB right then you should not have to worry about it, you can still play with your dog and build his prey drive and work on it that way too.
But to be honest with out actually seeing you train to see what your talking about with building his prey drive I dont know what else to tell you. Again, I do think that checking out Ed's video is a good idea.
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#272627 - 04/12/2010 11:35 AM |
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Yes Michael, You know the two are not that exclusive from the t, playing with your pup in a game of tug, you can incorporate a sit command, a release and continue the tug play, and once again a platz command. It is call the Game. I used it on my other pup at a different stage of age.
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#272635 - 04/12/2010 12:41 PM |
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I'm sorry Dan,
I must be dim, just what are you asking?
I don't believe there is a road map for where you want to go.
The only directions anyone can give are really just a different shade of pale.
Remember, each dog is an individual. Even if compared to it's litter mates.
No hard and fast rules for a % of this and a % of that. It depends on the individual dog, the owner, and what the end partnership wants to look like.
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