Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007
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Possession of dog who happens to share genetics doesn't mean that you're a dog fighter or even a good person. Really it makes a leap in assumptions where possession of property indicates how you use that property.
Mary McKeever Webboard User Reg: 02-19-2010
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good point. But don't they do this for pure breeds too? the genetic makeup so you can see the lineage of your dog? in a way it reminds me of the same thing. i know for a fact the ukc has something that does this. you send in a kit that costs $5.00 and they add it to their database. If its ok for purebreeds why not pits that they are finding in the rings?
Side note: Just asking questions because these are the ones that are puzzeling me. Don't want to offend anyone.
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Chip Bridges Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2009
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I have a regular customer (close enough pal that I could ask to borrow, scan and post the document), who brings in his Tudor (to my memory, but that's clearly flawed: I first typed Fedor) fighting line pit bull. He sent off for DNA test results and it came up Labrador/border collie, if I remember correctly. I've met the dog, she's a RIPPED little red-nose red pit, visually. I don't know this "science" firsthand, but I remember folks on message boards regarding "dangerous" breeds having similar accounts to get out of insurance problems, etc.
Not saying I can debunk this science myself, just that there was a lot of skepticism out there that seems pretty founded, regarding it's accuracy. My 2 cents and experience only, not claiming to be an authority in the field.
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010
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What they are trying to do is not to find out what breed the dog is (comparing DNA evidence to some arbitrary "breed" sample) but rather do a bloodline test(as in paternity, siblings etc.) so that if they get some DNA evidence from a dog fight scene they could tell if the dogs involved were used at another scene or are related to the ones used.
Chip Bridges Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2009
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Gotcha. So it's mitochondrial, like they use in snakes that "were" illegal, and no offspring can be sold. With this guy, it was a "tell the bloodline of your dog" scam, I suppose.
I think that if this is used only in the way that the article suggests it would be a good thing. Linking crimes across state lines put the offenses at a federal level, and these jerks might face some real serious time for the disgusting cruelty they commit.
However, there is definitely a serious slippery slope potential with this. Just imagine if this was misapplied not only to ABPTs, but other "dangerous" breeds. Most of us here would have "attack" dogs!
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Lauren, I think it has nothing to do with the breed but individual dogs. They don't need DNA test to tell a dog is a pitbull. Anybody whose dog's blood was found at a dog fighting site should be worried but a person who adopted such a dog through legitimate channels? I don't think so. A breeder whose dogs show as parents to a whole bunch of fighters might have something to worry about as well.
I guess what I meant is more the scenario what if it is eventually used against pet owners in regards to BSL. It is only a matter of time until running DNA becomes a cheap technology.
I'm thinking along the lines of someone adopts from a shelter or unknowingly buys a game bred puppy. The dog gets in some small amount of trouble like getting out of the yard and being picked up by the dog catcher. The dog ends up being euthanized and the dog owners life becomes a hell of explaining why they own a game dog and legal battles.
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